[NL2-NL10] NL25 TT push ok against reraise?

    • Gremlin68
      Gremlin68
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      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)       
      Position:
      Stack
      MP3:
      $66.66
      Hero:
      $5.92

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:heart: , T:club:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, MP3 calls $1.00, 4 folds.

      Flop: ($2.35) 9:club: , 8:spade: , Q:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2, MP3 raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $4.92 (All-In), MP3 calls $0.92.

        In this case I had some read on my opponent. He was playing quite loose with a VPIP of 45 and I saw him raising a lot, so I definitely do not give him credit to hold a Q. With my pocket pair and the gutshot it was a push for me. My question is what would have been a correct play against unknown or a tighter opponent? I think I did the same because I'm pot commited getting approx. 2:1 and having 4.92 left in a 8.35 pot. Yr. advises?

      Turn: ($12.19) 5:diamond:
      River: ($12.19) 4:heart:


      Final Pot: $12.19
  • 7 replies
    • Berliner1982
      Berliner1982
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      Against Unknown on such a board I would fold.
    • nttflox
      nttflox
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      Are you sure about this fold?
      I mean, we have to pay 3$ for a 12$ pot, there is just one overcard and I'm positive we still have at least 6 good outs.
    • mguilhon
      mguilhon
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      With 6 outs your odds wolud be 3:1, so i think its a call here. The pot is 8,35, and you have to call $2,00 (4:1).
    • xylere
      xylere
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      Flop: ($2.35) 9Club , 8Spade , QDiamond (2 players)
      Hero bets $2, MP3 raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $4.92 (All-In), MP3 calls $0.92.

      Pot Odds: $2.35 + $2 + 4.92 (we don`t have any fold equity with 0.92 left) -~ $0.35 (blinds)/ $2.92 = 3.054 : 1
      1 / (3.054 +1) = 24.6 %

      Equity: I won`t put unknown on any specific range, lets just figure out our equity against possible type of hands he might have:

      - 88, 99 ~ 23% equity
      - Qx hands ~ 26% equity

      against all the other hands (except small % of 2 pair+) we have more equity, then we need. Therefore, in this case we have to protect against a possible semi-bluff, even against unknown. Given the limit, our average equity will be higher, since range would be wider (pockets, Ax hands)

      Protecting form semi-bluffs is a huge part of postflop SSS. Unfortunately, there is no statistics, which helps us to determine how often opponent semi-bluffs. Even passive players are often capable of. In general, the looser is player preflop, the tougher call we can make postflop, if he reraises.
    • Gremlin68
      Gremlin68
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      sorry xylere not quite sure I can follow yr explanation means I'm not sure to understand it right.

      what is the conclusion of your calculation?

      If I read it right a push against unknown would be close but right?
    • xylere
      xylere
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      yeah, you read it right)
    • Gremlin68
      Gremlin68
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      Originally posted by xylere
      yeah, you read it right)
      fine ;) so I try to ignore my todays session to post NL50 hands soon. I think today I should have a look at my hands. But my KK busted three times are no worse to be posted, because in any case went in with the better hand. But I#m sure to find some hand to b discussed about.

      Thx very much for yr explicit analysis :)