# Odds and Outs Question

• Bronze
Joined: 23.08.2010
I have a question, that I have trouble explaining, regarding the Odds and Outs chart so I have framed my question by preparing an example below.

Can someone confirm whether or not I have interpreted this correctly. I ask because it seems that in these cases I will call a lot of flop bets but fold a lot of turns bets and this can't be profitable.

I have T 9 in BU - blinds are \$0.5/\$1 (easy to calculate)
EP Limp, MP Limp, I call, SB calls, BB checks, all others fold
Pot = \$5
Flop 7 8 3
SB checks, BB bets \$3, EP folds, MP calls \$3
Pot will be \$14 if I call, I need to pay \$3 to stay in so pot odds are 14:3 or 4.66:1.
The Odds chart states that with 2 cards to come the odds against my draw hitting is 2:1 so I call the \$3.
SB folds so pot is \$14.
Turn is 2
BB bets \$7, MP calls
Pot will be \$28 if I call, cost to stay in is \$7 so pot odds are 28:7 or 4:1.

Ignoring implied odds I fold because the odds against are 5:1 with one card to come - is this correct?
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• Bronze
Joined: 27.01.2008
Yes.

Your pot odds are 4:1 = 25%

(To fastly calculate your approximate odds, you just take your outs and multiplie it with:
- either x4 if on the flop
- or x2 if on the turn)

Your odds are therefore 8 (outs for OESD) x2 (turn) = 16%

Though, if you belive a T or a 9 is also a live odd and would mean you'd won the pot, you would then have:

8 (OESD) + 6 (3 tens, 3 nines) = 14 outs x2 (turn) = 28%, and would therefore be able to call the turn bet. But you have to have certain reads on your opponent to belive 9 or a T would also do the trick.
• Bronze
Joined: 13.10.2009
It's not that simple. In your case your call on the flop where you have 2:1 against your oesd includes the river. So your calculation would be right if with that flop call you would see the turn and the river (for exmpl your opps both check the turn or you go all in on the flop). If that's not the case then you must realize you have either odds 16% and try to hit on the turn, or calculate implied odds including your opps bets on the turn to see if it would be profitable to call both streets...
• Bronze
Joined: 23.08.2010
Thanks for your response. So, basically, unless I am sure that my opponents will check both turn and river (not likely) or I am shoving the flop, the 2:1 odds should be ignored and the turn and river treated as separate 5:1 situations.
• Bronze
Joined: 13.10.2009
• Bronze
Joined: 12.03.2008
cool discussion going on in here. it is good to clarify concepts if you are not sure about them.

in real game analysis, there are so many more factors that need to be considered, like ii40747 has mentioned.

hmm but i believe the original question was just strictly about pot odds and you gave a hypothetical example just to illustrate the point, right? in this case, i think things have been adequately explained. did you get it now? any more problems, just shout.

thanks to the lovely members for participating here.

smiles,
wendy
• Bronze
Joined: 23.08.2010
I get it now and would like to thank ii40747 for the comprehensive and informative replies.
• Bronze
Joined: 13.10.2009
Any time m8 GL at the tables !
• Bronze
Joined: 12.03.2008
Originally posted by brooksjohn
I get it now and would like to thank ii40747 for the comprehensive and informative replies.
+ 1

thank you for taking the time to post ii40747, you're so awesome!