NLHE against the house..?

    • enemaze
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      While visiting the Baden-Baden casino in Germany, i came across this variation of poker.
      Im not certain about the rules, but this is what i managed to understand (not speaking German wasn't too helpful).
      You post a blind and an ante, and are dealt 2 hole cards. There are several players, like in blackjack, but you only need to beat the house (which deals cards to itself).
      You can make a bet at 3 points: preflop, on the flop, and after the turn+river. the earlier the bet the more odds you get on it (preflop is 3x i think, flop 2x and before showdown 1x).
      If you don't make a bet by the showdown, you fold and the house takes everything. You can also place a bet if you get dealt trips or better, the better the made hand in the end the better the odds. If you make a bet throughout the hand, you reach showdown and if you beat the house, you win according to your odds + the house matches your blind and ante.

      My question is where's the house's edge here? to me it seems like you're basically playing a lose-passive opponent HU, which is easy money.
      If anyone's heard of this game, am i missing something?
  • 6 replies
    • yeahyoung0312
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      I've heard about this game. It is only superficially similar to NLHE because obviously it's not no limit nor limit. I think the house might have a big edge here.
    • tokyoaces
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      It sounds like Ultimate Texas Holdem

      You can get a run-down of the math at Wizard of Odds:
      Wizard of Odds on Ultimate Texas Holdem

      Edit: Any poker tracking software can easily show why this is a bad deal. You are posting blind every single hand. Even winning players don't show a profit from the blinds over a large sample of hands.
    • ragney
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      Any gambling games against the house is -ev. The house will always get the better odds. (google: casino odds)

      In poker you are facing against players and not a house, hence its all about skill (and mentality).
    • sinsas
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      Originally posted by ragney
      Any gambling games against the house is -ev. The house will always get the better odds. (google: casino odds)

      In poker you are facing against players and not a house, hence its all about skill (and mentality).
      and a "little" variance :D
    • enemaze
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      Yes, it was definitely Ultimate Hold'em.
      What i don't get, is how can this game be -ev? basically you can calculate your equity against a random hand, and if it's better than 50%, bet profitably. Obviously this cant be done easily, but it's not impossible. Furthermore, a lot of the people at the table dont really hide their holecards, which gives you even more information.
    • thazar
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      Originally posted by enemaze
      Yes, it was definitely Ultimate Hold'em.
      What i don't get, is how can this game be -ev? basically you can calculate your equity against a random hand, and if it's better than 50%, bet profitably. Obviously this cant be done easily, but it's not impossible. Furthermore, a lot of the people at the table dont really hide their holecards, which gives you even more information.
      Originally posted by tokyoaces

      Edit: Any poker tracking software can easily show why this is a bad deal. You are posting blind every single hand. Even winning players don't show a profit from the blinds over a large sample of hands.


      Regards

      Thazar