Poker christmas gift to my father

    • JohanRember
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      Hi everyone,

      I'm hoping you can help me out in getting my father a gift he will never forget.

      Background info on the father:

      I got him interested in poker a long time ago, and recently he has been playing quite a lot, a lot more than I. We usually discuss hands we play, and we quite often have different opinions on how hands are played, and why we make certain bets. One common example would be that he says the reason he bets on a certain flop is to get other people to fold, while I am of the opinion that we are betting for value.

      I think he is a break even player, and since he play so much I would think the best gift is to make him better!

      He plays sngs on stars a lot, and he plays at the local casino at the cash games.

      My budget: $400

      I was thinking of getting him coaching lessons in sngs, and I've looked at lessthanthree as a good sng coach.

      Current budget layout:
      $300 for 4 lessons with lessthanthree
      $90 for holdem manager (he doesnt have it yet)
      $35 two session reviews from lessthan three

      Total: $425 (a little over, but I'm not picky).

      Do you think this is a good gift? Should I mix it up a little more perhaps? Can I get more value out of this money? $75 for a lesson is quite a lot, but I think he is a good coach too?

      Please give me suggestions, I want to make my dear father very happy for christmas and I think something poker related is the best way to do so. I was also thinking to add a book on playing live cash games, as he seems to do so once a week, and seems to be successful in doing so.

      Thanks a lot :)
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    • phantommm92
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      doesnt seem like that good of an idea for me, if i were in his spot, and was playing a lot, i would be very happy if my son gave me something out of poker+400$ seems a shit load of money for just a present, if not a secret, what country are you from?
    • JohanRember
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      Originally posted by phantommm92
      doesnt seem like that good of an idea for me, if i were in his spot, and was playing a lot, i would be very happy if my son gave me something out of poker+400$ seems a shit load of money for just a present, if not a secret, what country are you from?
      The fact is that he is very interested, and if the interest is there, I think he would appreciate a present to peak the interest further, and also win money in doing so?

      It's quite a bit of money, but nothing in comparison to what he has given me in life and everything he has taught me. I thought I'd be extra generous this year :) .

      I'm from Sweden.
    • gartaaa
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      Originally posted by JohanRember
      Originally posted by phantommm92
      doesnt seem like that good of an idea for me, if i were in his spot, and was playing a lot, i would be very happy if my son gave me something out of poker+400$ seems a shit load of money for just a present, if not a secret, what country are you from?
      The fact is that he is very interested, and if the interest is there, I think he would appreciate a present to peak the interest further, and also win money in doing so?

      It's quite a bit of money, but nothing in comparison to what he has given me in life and everything he has taught me. I thought I'd be extra generous this year :) .

      I'm from Sweden.
      It's alot of money but lessthan three seems to be a good coach, by the way do you know that there are Swe forums?
      Du borde kolla in i den svenska delen, du kanske har det och jag bara missat dig förresten;)
    • phantommm92
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      yeah, but he probably wont learn much, just because he doesnt want to. if he wanted to, he would have already done it.
      well, obviously i might be wrong, but its just my opinion.
    • conall88
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      if hes starting out, a subscription to a good training site for the variant he is interested in playing makes more sense. If he is already winning micro stakes in his variant, then the coaching can be better.
    • ilrasso
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      Getting HEM is perfect. Why make the coaching sessions a father/son tag team thing. Where u get coached together. That way u can get a bit of the gift for urself, and the 3-4 hours of coaching will also count as social time. :D

      I might be wrong here, and coaching in general or for ur dad in specific, might be s'best as one on one, but if not, my idea is good. Consider that if u both take part in the coaching, you will also share a point of reference when discussing ur plays afterwards.
    • c0wking
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      This.
    • JohanRember
      JohanRember
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      Originally posted by conall88
      if hes starting out, a subscription to a good training site for the variant he is interested in playing makes more sense. If he is already winning micro stakes in his variant, then the coaching can be better.
      He is a member of pokerstrategy... I recommended him. He is not a forum person though, so I will get him into it.

      Hopefully he doesnt read this thread.


      @ilrasso We live in two different countries, so I might not have the chance to sit with him. But maybe he can teach me a thing or two after his lessons :) ?


      Any other suggestions? Whats a good book for live play tips?
    • Wriggers
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      Originally posted by phantommm92
      yeah, but he probably wont learn much, just because he doesnt want to. if he wanted to, he would have already done it.
      well, obviously i might be wrong, but its just my opinion.
      That's a bit of a ridiculous statement imo. Maybe he hasn't got the spare cash to spend on a coach, it doesn't mean he doesn't want to learn. Take me as an example. I'm life broke atm and can't afford any sort of coaching, but if I was given $400 worth of coaching from a top player I would make damn good use of it.

      Just because someone hasn't already had coaching it doesn't mean they don't want to learn.
    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Originally posted by Wriggers
      Originally posted by phantommm92
      yeah, but he probably wont learn much, just because he doesnt want to. if he wanted to, he would have already done it.
      well, obviously i might be wrong, but its just my opinion.
      That's a bit of a ridiculous statement imo. Maybe he hasn't got the spare cash to spend on a coach, it doesn't mean he doesn't want to learn. Take me as an example. I'm life broke atm and can't afford any sort of coaching, but if I was given $400 worth of coaching from a top player I would make damn good use of it.

      Just because someone hasn't already had coaching it doesn't mean they don't want to learn.

      +9000

      I think its a great idea myself what limits is your dad playing?
    • roopopper
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      I'm offering breakeven coaching at nl2 if he wants to switch to cash games :D

    • JohanRember
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      Originally posted by ExternalUseOnly
      Originally posted by Wriggers
      Originally posted by phantommm92
      yeah, but he probably wont learn much, just because he doesnt want to. if he wanted to, he would have already done it.
      well, obviously i might be wrong, but its just my opinion.
      That's a bit of a ridiculous statement imo. Maybe he hasn't got the spare cash to spend on a coach, it doesn't mean he doesn't want to learn. Take me as an example. I'm life broke atm and can't afford any sort of coaching, but if I was given $400 worth of coaching from a top player I would make damn good use of it.

      Just because someone hasn't already had coaching it doesn't mean they don't want to learn.

      +9000

      I think its a great idea myself what limits is your dad playing?

      He is playing $1-$4 sngs on stars. And at the casino he plays 10/10 SEK NLHE. Thats euro similar 1/1, maximum buy-in 100 euro.
    • JohanRember
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      Originally posted by roopopper
      I'm offering breakeven coaching at nl2 if he wants to switch to cash games :D


      Lol, hope you dont mind if I pass :f_cool:

      Are there any cheaper coaches on sngs? Maybe more is better? Im sure lessthanthree is quality, but is 3-4 lessons enough to change a lot?
    • Bigniux
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      Originally posted by JohanRember
      Are there any cheaper coaches on sngs? Maybe more is better? Im sure lessthanthree is quality, but is 3-4 lessons enough to change a lot?
      I think it can be enough, especially since it's high quality. Ofc, he won't become a pro right after coachings, but this can make him at least small winner and when he starts winning, he might buy more coachings on his own :) (people buy a products again if/when they see that it's useful)
    • ihufa
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      great idea imo, and 3-4 hours is plenty, don't give him a bad experience by buying coaching from some giraah kinda dude
    • fruktpuff
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      Originally posted by ihufa
      great idea imo, and 3-4 hours is plenty, don't give him a bad experience by buying coaching from some giraah kinda dude
      Is the world ending?
      Is there a rain of fire coming down on the earth?!
      Did ihufa really give a serious and helpful answer in a post?

      Confused,
      Richard
    • Meemawuk
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      I would love nothing more than for someone to buy me a gift like this. If your dad is truely interested in poker (which usually means borderline obsessed,) and genuinely wants to get better, he will very much appreciate this.
    • ExternalUseOnly
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      def a great gift gogogo and tell your dad to become a forum person and come let us know how he found it and what he learnt and so on :)
    • JohanRember
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      So it's settled.

      Now I'll just get in contact with lessthanthree for the arrangements :) .

      Thanks
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