Capping or not capping?

    • madorjan
      madorjan
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2009 Posts: 5,561
      Hi Guys,

      Me again with some annoying questions again, I hope you're happy.:P

      I'm known to be a nit capping pre multiway, and I'm trying to loosen up a bit, but not sure where to, so I tried analyzing these spots. I figured out a method doing that, but maybe I'm overthinking or just think in the wrong directions, would like to hear your thoughts on it.

      So basically what I do is I put the hands into PPT Hand vs Range Graph Tool Thingy, and look at that on how many flops do I have a clear valuehand (or good equity basically), and on how many flops I'm doomed to get to showdown. Let's use an example:

      Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with XX
      1 fold, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero ?

      I think BU will 3bet around 20% in that spot, and SB being a fish will coldcall with 25% (not including the top5%).

      So in that case I'm looking for a graph like this (TT vs the 2 ranges):

      [img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&chd=t:0,0.5,0.5,0.5,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.49,1.99,2.49,3.48,4.48,4.98,5.97,5.97,6.47,7.46,7.46,7.96,7.96,7.96,7.96,7.96,8.96,8.96,8.96,9.45,9.45,9.45,10.45,10.45,10.45,10.95,10.95,10.95,10.95,10.95,11.44,12.94,12.94,15.42,17.91,19.9,22.39,24.38,30.35,31.84,33.83,36.32,37.81,39.3,40.8,43.78,44.78,45.27,52.24,55.72,60.7,64.18,67.16,70.15,71.64,72.14,74.13,74.63,75.12,75.62,76.62,77.61,79.1,81.09,84.58,87.56,91.04,92.04,92.04,92.54,93.53,93.53,93.53,94.03,95.02,96.52,97.51,99.5,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0|100,99.0,98.0,97.0,96.0,95.0,94.0,93.0,92.0,91.0,90.0,89.0,88.0,87.0,86.0,85.0,84.0,83.0,82.0,81.0,80.0,79.0,78.0,77.0,76.0,75.0,74.0,73.0,72.0,71.0,70.0,69.0,68.0,67.0,66.0,65.0,64.0,63.0,62.0,61.0,60.0,59.0,58.0,57.0,56.0,55.0,54.0,53.0,52.0,51.0,50.0,49.0,48.0,47.0,46.0,45.0,44.0,43.0,42.0,41.0,40.0,39.0,38.0,37.0,36.0,35.0,34.0,33.0,32.0,31.0,30.0,29.0,28.0,27.0,26.0,25.0,24.0,23.0,22.0,21.0,20.0,19.0,18.0,17.0,16.0,15.0,14.0,13.0,12.0,11.0,10.0,9.0,8.0,7.0,6.0,5.0,4.0,3.0,2.0,1.0,0.0&chs=600x400&chds=0,100&chxt=x,y,x,y,t&chxl=0:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|1:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|2:| |Percentage+of+flops||3:| |Min.%20Equity||4:| |Propokertools.com|&chxs=0,000000|1,000000&chxtc=0,-400|1,-600&chf=bg,s,DDFFDD&chco=D13621[/img]

      or this (AJs):

      [img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&chd=t:0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.52,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.04,1.55,1.55,2.07,3.11,3.11,3.11,4.66,4.66,4.66,4.66,5.18,5.7,5.7,6.74,8.29,10.36,11.4,14.51,17.1,18.13,19.69,20.73,21.76,22.8,23.83,23.83,25.91,25.91,26.94,27.46,27.46,27.98,30.57,31.09,32.12,32.64,33.16,35.75,37.82,38.34,39.9,43.01,44.04,46.63,48.19,48.19,51.3,53.37,55.96,59.07,62.69,66.84,71.5,75.13,79.27,82.38,84.97,87.05,90.67,91.19,92.75,93.78,96.37,96.89,96.89,97.93,98.96,99.48,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0|100,99.0,98.0,97.0,96.0,95.0,94.0,93.0,92.0,91.0,90.0,89.0,88.0,87.0,86.0,85.0,84.0,83.0,82.0,81.0,80.0,79.0,78.0,77.0,76.0,75.0,74.0,73.0,72.0,71.0,70.0,69.0,68.0,67.0,66.0,65.0,64.0,63.0,62.0,61.0,60.0,59.0,58.0,57.0,56.0,55.0,54.0,53.0,52.0,51.0,50.0,49.0,48.0,47.0,46.0,45.0,44.0,43.0,42.0,41.0,40.0,39.0,38.0,37.0,36.0,35.0,34.0,33.0,32.0,31.0,30.0,29.0,28.0,27.0,26.0,25.0,24.0,23.0,22.0,21.0,20.0,19.0,18.0,17.0,16.0,15.0,14.0,13.0,12.0,11.0,10.0,9.0,8.0,7.0,6.0,5.0,4.0,3.0,2.0,1.0,0.0&chs=600x400&chds=0,100&chxt=x,y,x,y,t&chxl=0:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|1:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|2:| |Percentage+of+flops||3:| |Min.%20Equity||4:| |Propokertools.com|&chxs=0,000000|1,000000&chxtc=0,-400|1,-600&chf=bg,s,DDFFDD&chco=D13621[/img]

      Both cases I have decent equity on the majority of boards, and therefore I have to get to showdown a ton, but not hating it like I hate with hands such as ATo or 77:

      [img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&chd=t:0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,0.53,1.07,1.07,1.6,1.6,1.6,2.14,2.67,3.21,3.74,4.28,4.28,4.28,4.28,4.28,4.81,5.35,5.35,5.35,7.49,8.02,8.02,9.09,10.16,11.23,12.3,14.44,15.51,16.04,16.58,19.25,19.79,19.79,20.32,21.39,21.39,21.39,21.93,22.99,23.53,23.53,23.53,24.06,25.13,25.13,25.67,27.27,27.27,27.81,28.88,29.95,32.62,35.29,37.43,41.18,43.85,47.06,52.41,56.15,59.36,61.5,67.91,71.12,75.4,80.75,88.24,90.91,93.05,94.12,94.12,96.79,97.86,98.93,99.47,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0|100,99.0,98.0,97.0,96.0,95.0,94.0,93.0,92.0,91.0,90.0,89.0,88.0,87.0,86.0,85.0,84.0,83.0,82.0,81.0,80.0,79.0,78.0,77.0,76.0,75.0,74.0,73.0,72.0,71.0,70.0,69.0,68.0,67.0,66.0,65.0,64.0,63.0,62.0,61.0,60.0,59.0,58.0,57.0,56.0,55.0,54.0,53.0,52.0,51.0,50.0,49.0,48.0,47.0,46.0,45.0,44.0,43.0,42.0,41.0,40.0,39.0,38.0,37.0,36.0,35.0,34.0,33.0,32.0,31.0,30.0,29.0,28.0,27.0,26.0,25.0,24.0,23.0,22.0,21.0,20.0,19.0,18.0,17.0,16.0,15.0,14.0,13.0,12.0,11.0,10.0,9.0,8.0,7.0,6.0,5.0,4.0,3.0,2.0,1.0,0.0&chs=600x400&chds=0,100&chxt=x,y,x,y,t&chxl=0:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|1:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|2:| |Percentage+of+flops||3:| |Min.%20Equity||4:| |Propokertools.com|&chxs=0,000000|1,000000&chxtc=0,-400|1,-600&chf=bg,s,DDFFDD&chco=D13621[/img]

      [img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&chd=t:0,0.47,0.47,0.94,1.42,1.42,1.42,1.42,2.36,2.36,2.83,5.19,5.66,6.13,7.08,7.08,7.55,8.49,8.49,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.43,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,9.91,10.38,10.38,10.38,10.38,10.85,13.68,14.15,16.04,16.98,17.45,19.34,20.28,21.23,23.11,23.58,24.06,25.0,25.94,27.36,31.6,36.79,42.92,48.11,51.89,54.72,58.49,59.91,61.79,64.62,67.45,71.7,75.47,79.72,81.6,83.96,86.32,86.79,87.74,90.09,91.51,94.34,95.75,97.17,98.11,98.58,98.58,99.53,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0,100.0|100,99.0,98.0,97.0,96.0,95.0,94.0,93.0,92.0,91.0,90.0,89.0,88.0,87.0,86.0,85.0,84.0,83.0,82.0,81.0,80.0,79.0,78.0,77.0,76.0,75.0,74.0,73.0,72.0,71.0,70.0,69.0,68.0,67.0,66.0,65.0,64.0,63.0,62.0,61.0,60.0,59.0,58.0,57.0,56.0,55.0,54.0,53.0,52.0,51.0,50.0,49.0,48.0,47.0,46.0,45.0,44.0,43.0,42.0,41.0,40.0,39.0,38.0,37.0,36.0,35.0,34.0,33.0,32.0,31.0,30.0,29.0,28.0,27.0,26.0,25.0,24.0,23.0,22.0,21.0,20.0,19.0,18.0,17.0,16.0,15.0,14.0,13.0,12.0,11.0,10.0,9.0,8.0,7.0,6.0,5.0,4.0,3.0,2.0,1.0,0.0&chs=600x400&chds=0,100&chxt=x,y,x,y,t&chxl=0:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|1:| 0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|2:| |Percentage+of+flops||3:| |Min.%20Equity||4:| |Propokertools.com|&chxs=0,000000|1,000000&chxtc=0,-400|1,-600&chf=bg,s,DDFFDD&chco=D13621[/img]

      where I have premium equity on just a small % of flops (by small I mean <30%) but have to get to showdown a ton still. I feel these kind of hands have more SD value then pure value, and therefore I want to take them to SD ASAP, and not blowing the pot with them (even if they have a slight equity edge).

      So in a nutshell, that's my process, I'd like any feedback, idea, criticism, anything that comes to your mind about it. Also if this method is not a big failure, what thresholds should I be looking at?

      I'd really appreciate your answers.

      Cheers,
      Madi
  • 1 reply
    • Boomer2k10
      Boomer2k10
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.09.2010 Posts: 2,551
      Whenever I look towards openin up my capping range I look towards suited hands mainly for a couple of reasons.

      1) The pot is huge and SC hands give me extra outs the majority of the time so I'm not going to be a pushover

      2) There's some "deception" value

      Offsuit hands fall SHARPLY in euqity and playability the more players there are in the pot so if I'm looking to expand my capping range I'd prefer a hand like JTs over a hand like A9o just purely for postflop playability and the fact there's less likelihood the 3-bettor is going to screw me over hard or make me fold the best hand in a huge pot.

      Pocket pairs I have an odd relationship with. 77-88 are pretty much the boarderline for me, but in big pots preflop they play much better HUHU so they're not big candidates for 3-way capping.

      Pairs are generally good in 2 situations:

      1) Multiway pot where you can get in cheap and flop a set and win a huge pot

      2) Bloated HU pot preflop.

      They suffer very much similar downsides to Offsuit Aces except Offsuit Aces can't flop sets. There are obviously boards where a pair is easy hand to play but they can lose you a lot of money in big multiway pots when the value of your hand begins to override implied odds.

      So you've got the right end of the stick imo :)