[NL2-NL10] Nl10 Sh Kk

    • SPeedFANat1c
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      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($10.98)
      BB ($23.15)
      UTG ($19.15)
      UTG+1 ($16.46)
      CO ($10.15)
      Hero ($14)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:club:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.40, fold, Hero raises to $1.30, SB calls $1.25, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.90

      FLOP ($4) Q:diamond: 4:diamond: 6:heart:

      SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3, UTG+1 folds

      TURN ($10) Q:diamond: 4:diamond: 6:heart: J:diamond:

      SB bets $6.68 (AI), Hero calls $6.68

      RIVER ($23.36) Q:diamond: 4:diamond: 6:heart: J:diamond: 3:club:

      SB: 18/11/2
      fold to cbet 44
      172 hands

      this guy cannont have AQ, right? If this is true, then I don't understand why I call the turn. I am crushed by QQ or AA I guess.
  • 15 replies
    • UnknownJoseph
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      what about fold to 3B stat?
    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
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      SB fold to 3bet is almost unknown - 50% but only two times. But does this say something? SB wasn't first raiser.
    • UnknownJoseph
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      yes of course...
      his PFR: 10%, he folds to 3B: 75% so it's mean that 2.5% continues action:
      2.5% looks like this: TT+ but AA and KK will be 4B... so his calling range is TT-QQ

      lets say that his fold to 3B is 25% so his calling range is 7.5%
      7.5% is 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+

      do you see difference?

      I will give you example how you can use that...

      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BTN): $10.10
      SB: $14.95
      BB: $10.00
      UTG: $8.11
      CO: $10.19

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

      fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 4:spade: T:heart: 9:heart:
      CO bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

      Turn: ($1.35, 2 players) 3:club:
      CO bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

      River: ($2.55, 2 players) Q:diamond:
      CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

      CO shows A:spade: A:club: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
      Hero mucks K:heart: K:club: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
      CO wins $5.09


      CO player: 11/5/6.5(steal)/100(F3B)/66(CBetF)/100(CBetT)

      I didn't 3B this player because he was tight player with 100% Ft3B if I 3B he would give me action only with KK and AA... but I wanted action with worse hands...

      Flop: KK vs 6.5%

      Board: 4s Th 9h
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 70.766% 70.00% 00.76% 44354 483.50 { KcKh }
      Hand 1: 29.234% 28.47% 00.76% 18039 483.50 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }


      Turn:

      Board: 4s Th 9h 3c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 51.852% 50.00% 01.85% 594 22.00 { KcKh }
      Hand 1: 48.148% 46.30% 01.85% 550 22.00 { 99+, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh }


      River:

      Board: 4s Th 9h 3c Qd
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 32.609% 30.43% 02.17% 7 0.50 { KcKh }
      Hand 1: 67.391% 65.22% 02.17% 15 0.50 { 99+, AhQh, KhQh }
    • UnknownJoseph
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      Fuck... I didn't notice that SB wasn't first raiser... sorry
    • veriz
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      Hello SPeedFANat1c,

      Well, there ain't gonna be many hands what you beat. Some hands like KK you split. :D QQ did hit, JJ most likely wont float and even JJ did hit. Also A:dK. Doubt he will have that many AQ hands in his 3bet calling range. Most likely he was either trapping or had something like QQ/JJ, I am folding turn.

      Best Regards.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      One stupid call and you loose 60 big blinds. But if you need to win those back and never do stupid mistakes - if you are winning let say at 5bb/100, you need to play 1200 hands. Thats not fair :)
    • UnknownJoseph
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      don't worry, you are progressing player... you won't remember about this situation on next week
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
      One stupid call and you loose 60 big blinds. But if you need to win those back and never do stupid mistakes - if you are winning let say at 5bb/100, you need to play 1200 hands. Thats not fair :)
      Well, at least you posted the hand and hopefully even learn from the mistake? Didn't you? If you next time even do such a mistake, then most likely you are either on tilt or still have the calldown leak in your play.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      Originally posted by BGawli
      don't worry, you are progressing player... you won't remember about this situation on next week
      migth be that next weak I will make another stupid move :D all of them adds up, so what I earn with my skill when I do good moves, I lose them when I am tired and make bad moves. Also I was down two buyins at that session, so I cound't control myself too much. Actually I moved down from NL20 so that was like - 'nl10 is easy for me' so this also had influence I guess.

      I know playing tired is bad, but I want to play. And there is not very often the day when I am completely fresh, because of job at day which exhausts me.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
      Originally posted by BGawli
      don't worry, you are progressing player... you won't remember about this situation on next week
      migth be that next weak I will make another stupid move :D all of them adds up, so what I earn with my skill when I do good moves, I lose them when I am tired and make bad moves. Also I was down two buyins at that session, so I cound't control myself too much. Actually I moved down from NL20 so that was like - 'nl10 is easy for me' so this also had influence I guess.

      I know playing tired is bad, but I want to play. And there is not very often the day when I am completely fresh, because of job at day which exhausts me.
      Well, then you have to get used to it. :) I am pretty sure with time you will adjust. SH is huge variance play anyways, at one point you could be down 3-5BIs and next stop you could be up 4-5BIs. :D
    • UnknownJoseph
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      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
      migth be that next weak I will make another stupid move
      It's not good way of thinking, it's pessimistic thinking. Don't think like this. Everything will be good. Mistakes make you better player.

      look what I did when I was tired... NL10 FR AA ex.01 21.10
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      Bit pesimistic, but I think is like realistic thing :) I just need to not be in such a hurry. I moved down, so I thought I can play more tables and the winings are only 1/2 of what I oculd expect at NL20 so I need to regain my money fast because its borring to be at nl10 for so long, I mean its the mirco limit. I think NL50 is where some serious money already is and its still a mirco in poker world, so it should not be that hard. Or I need some software which alert me 'are you sure you want to make this move' when I do some big call or big raise :)
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
      Bit pesimistic, but I think is like realistic thing :) I just need to not be in such a hurry. I moved down, so I thought I can play more tables and the winings are only 1/2 of what I oculd expect at NL20 so I need to regain my money fast because its borring to be at nl10 for so long, I mean its the mirco limit. I think NL50 is where some serious money already is and its still a mirco in poker world, so it should not be that hard. Or I need some software which alert me 'are you sure you want to make this move' when I do some big call or big raise :)
      Well, don't think it like that. If you are thinking like oh now I have to win twice as much money in NL10 then you most likely are going to force yourself to do such Calls. :) Trying to make hero-calls, playing too many tables. Just continue playing the same way as you did earlier and did good, you don't need to change the table amounts to get the money back, but rather it's gonna be the opposite unless you really played just few tables.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      I will try to continue to play the same way. I guess I would need to go awayif I loose one buy in, because otherwise my mindset works bad. And if I loose, go to watch some movie or some poker training video. I played 3-4 tables, on nl20 when I was running bad/playing bad. Now I tried 4-5 on nl10, so its not that I am mass multitabling.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
      I will try to continue to play the same way. I guess I would need to go awayif I loose one buy in, because otherwise my mindset works bad. And if I loose, go to watch some movie or some poker training video. I played 3-4 tables, on nl20 when I was running bad/playing bad. Now I tried 4-5 on nl10, so its not that I am mass multitabling.
      Oh, 4-5 tables is standard. :) Although I would still set it at least 2BIs min. No point to set it -1BI, the variance in SH is just massive.