Why do some players want to be staked?

    • Tosh5457
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      The only reasons I see are:
      - Playing higher stakes than usual
      - Insecure about his own game so doesn't want to play with his own money
      - Cashed out his bankroll and wants to build another bankroll

      Knowing this, why would anyone stake players anyway? If the reason for the player wanting to be staked is because he cashed out his bankroll, and he's playing in the same limits he used to play then it's fine. But probably most players ask for staking for the other reasons, and staking a player that's insecure with his own game or is playing higher stakes than usual it's not a good idea...
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    • acerbikas
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      Technically, I'd cross out the latter two options (or at least gray them out) as IMO they do not reflect the true purpose of staking. I think staking is more of a way to reduce variance for one's own bankroll while at the same time focusing more on winning (and consistently+constantly improving your game) because the stake you acquire is not yours for the taking, you are expected to turn up a profit. Playing higher limits is a given for staking, especially if you manage the bankroll carefully. Hence, you might not be set for 215$ MTTs with your 100-150BI management while you have say 4-5k or so, though you may feel an edge over your opponents and could still turn a pretty profit.

      Of course, if you have improved your game and you feel that you just do not have enough spare cash to invest into the money while you perceive your results and game as worth your while (or others', in this case), you can safely utilize a stake to build up your bankroll from scratch (as some pros have done in the past).

      At least that is my two cents, I usually go browse through those staking threads, so I've formed my own opinion
    • conall88
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      reasons = real life.

      could be:

      student loan
      medical costs

      unforseen circumstances.
      xmas.

      etc
    • stevegold87
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      I got staked before and I know the main reasons why somebody would want to get staked.

      1) Black friday.
      A lot of people lost their bankroll. Staking was a good option to get help from friends on the forum or the poker community.

      2) What conall88 said; I had to withdraw my BR a few times because of real life issues. At dark time I couldn't handle seeing 500$ sitting inside my poker account while I was struggeling in my real life. Therefore I would withdraw everything. This doesn't make you a losing player, and you don't want to start back at the 1$ SNG everytime with 50$. With a nice backup of proofs you can show the backers that you are a winning player at X limit and start back there while sharing profits.

      3) What acerbikas said, the buy a piece staking for MTTs are usually to lower variance. We all know how big variance are in huge tournament and selling pieces is a really good way for the player to reduce his loss. It's a win-win situation for everyone since if the player make a final table you can easily turn your investment into big money, but it's also more a gamble than long term staking deals with winning players.

      Taking shots at higher limit is a possibility also, but you shouldn't stake a player more than 1 limit above his regular winning limit, since the skills of the player and the swings might be too big for him to handle :)

      And if you are a winning player and want to try something different don't hesitate to visit our staking forums :)
    • Kruppe
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      nice of you to post this retarded thread AFTER ftp's demise
    • pleno1
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      Another reason is that people are prone to tilting with their own bankroll.

      I have a friend who for example has a bankroll of $5k,if he veer has it online and grinds using BRM as soon as he runs bad he moves to the high stakes.

      Myself and a few other back him now and he is so more disciplined and respects the money 100% more.
    • mancikaa
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      Originally posted by Tosh5457
      The only reasons I see are:
      - Playing higher stakes than usual
      - Insecure about his own game so doesn't want to play with his own money
      - Cashed out his bankroll and wants to build another bankroll

      Knowing this, why would anyone stake players anyway? If the reason for the player wanting to be staked is because he cashed out his bankroll, and he's playing in the same limits he used to play then it's fine. But probably most players ask for staking for the other reasons, and staking a player that's insecure with his own game or is playing higher stakes than usual it's not a good idea...
      lol how old are you, 16?

      You dont seem to have clue about what you talk...

      Not just staking exsist with the purpose of lowering the variance and make it possible to take shots on higher limits, but its also good for people, who somehow got effected by these unreliable websites who dont pay cashouts, or delay it very long weeks. Tournament players also exchange sometimes percentage, if they see that someone else also running good in the same tournament what they play, than some people used to exchage like 10% lets say, which means if one of them is in the money, than the other one gets 10% of his winning. Like this you get at least your buy in back.

      I was staked pretty often, which made me possible to play on the EPT Grand Final last year for example, or on other bigger events what I would not be able to afford, but I got a chance to see a higher level of poker and get a lot of eperience.

      I dont like what you wrote because deffo you were never staked, but what you say is not just like this, that bad players cry for money...
    • Targetme
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      if your a cg player and getting staked its basicly saying "I cant handle my own money" Mtt's have crazy variance so thats aceptable
    • pleno1
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      Originally posted by Targetme
      if your a cg player and getting staked its basicly saying "I cant handle my own money" Mtt's have crazy variance so thats aceptable
      Just so not true imo.

      If there is a 10knl game in gibraltar casino tomorrow I could get staked for it, similarily for a 2knl and 5knl game. I would be +ev and it wqould be right for me to play in the game. My bankroll could be damaged more than I'd like it to be if I lose 5/6 buy ins. If the guys who put me in the game know I'm +ev and if they put me in 10000 times I will make money for them then it makes sense from both corners.
    • conall88
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      +1 thats not true.
    • thazar
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      Originally posted by Targetme
      if your a cg player and getting staked its basicly saying "I cant handle my own money" Mtt's have crazy variance so thats aceptable
      I completely disagree with that. It's also very good to get a CG, staking as part of a coaching deal, as you can, with a similar win rate, maintain the same type of earning while giving a percentage of the winnings to the staker/coach and improve your game at a much better rate than without.
    • Shevtshenko
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      Originally posted by pleno1
      Originally posted by Targetme
      if your a cg player and getting staked its basicly saying "I cant handle my own money" Mtt's have crazy variance so thats aceptable
      Just so not true imo.

      If there is a 10knl game in gibraltar casino tomorrow I could get staked for it, similarily for a 2knl and 5knl game. I would be +ev and it wqould be right for me to play in the game. My bankroll could be damaged more than I'd like it to be if I lose 5/6 buy ins. If the guys who put me in the game know I'm +ev and if they put me in 10000 times I will make money for them then it makes sense from both corners.
      imo there's a difference btw sharing action and staking. What you're talking above is sharing and staking is more of a long term solution. And tbh, at least for me it's tough to find too many reasons for a profitable cg plr to ever get staked. I'm not saying there's none tho.
    • Tosh5457
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      Hehe lot of haters here, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just saying what I thought :P Thanks for the answers, that cleared the confusion :)