[NL20-NL50] NL25SH two preflops

    • Vesolc
      Vesolc
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.07.2007 Posts: 130
      I have two interesting hands. Very strong pocket pairs but..pushing or folding?

      1)
      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)  
      Position:
      Stack
      MP3:
      $9.36
      BU:
      $13.92
      BB:
      $42.98
      Hero:
      $25

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:club: , A:diamond:
      Hero raises to $1.00, MP3 raises to $3.75, CO folds, BU raises to $13.92 (All-In), SB folds, BB calls $13.67, Hero raises to $25.00 (All-In), MP3 raises to $9.36 (All-In), BB calls $11.08.

      fishes all over the table. It is push ok, or better to fold this spot?

      2)


      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)  
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $27.34
      BB:
      $25.78
      Hero:
      $23.80

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K:club: , K:heart:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, SB raises to $3.00, BB raises to $9.00, Hero raises to $23.80 (All-In), SB folds, BB calls $14.80.

      decent players both of them. I would say that SB is blind defending but what about BB? strong pocket pairs (QQ, KK, AA)?. So, better to fold?
  • 8 replies
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      Euhm, what ?
    • TerrorBlade
      TerrorBlade
      Black
      Joined: 16.10.2007 Posts: 1,922
      Is this a joke?

      Firstly the first hand is HEAVEN for you. It is perfect because all these players want to go all in preflop, and you have the highest equity cause of the best hand, thus you automatically make money and its super EV++++. Never ever ever fold aces in a cash game, wtf.

      Second hand, at this limit and not deepstacked always try to go all in with KK.
    • ancha666
      ancha666
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.01.2008 Posts: 169
      NO WAY YOU ARE FOLDING AA ON CASH TABLE!! It's a crime if you do that!

      KK - the same, actually I folded KK once - there where three nit players all in preflop (WTF?!) so I just mucked it couse I knew that someone has AA for sure. And it was AA,QQ,JJ :D (JJ won with no K on the board so...inhale...exhale...:D )

      however, don't be scared, don't play scare poker, or don't play poker at all...
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      http://plusev.net/d/20071126.html
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      preflopbroke with both hands.

      best regards,
      TribunCaesar
    • Vesolc
      Vesolc
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.07.2007 Posts: 130
      Guys, please, don't be sharp to me. I just want to get some opinion. I did go all-in in both cases and of course I lost both.

      Agree with first hand. I made simulations and I can see it is big +EV.

      But in second hand situation is a little bit different:
      Player 1: 49.995 % 46.102 % 7.786 % 46.112 % KsKh
      Player 2: 50.005 % 46.112 % 7.786 % 46.102 % QQ+

      I'm little bit behind :) ...but I really think is -EV because we have to pay rake (?)
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      Folding = -9 $
      Pushing = 0 - rake
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      Originally posted by Vesolc
      Guys, please, don't be sharp to me. I just want to get some opinion. I did go all-in in both cases and of course I lost both.

      Agree with first hand. I made simulations and I can see it is big +EV.

      But in second hand situation is a little bit different:
      Player 1: 49.995 % 46.102 % 7.786 % 46.112 % KsKh
      Player 2: 50.005 % 46.112 % 7.786 % 46.102 % QQ+

      I'm little bit behind :) ...but I really think is -EV because we have to pay rake (?)
      the range is way too tight. You should give him a range of JJ+ and Ak

      best regards,
      TribunCaesar