[NL20-NL50] flopped full house (big one)

    • ancha666
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      No Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
      10 players
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      Stack sizes:
      UTG: $36.65
      UTG+1: $13.85
      UTG+2: $91.30
      MP1: $4.60
      MP2: $33.45
      MP3: $2.40
      CO: $19.90
      Button: $7.15
      SB: $2.75
      Hero: $27.50

      Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with J A
      UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises all-in $2.4, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

      Flop: J J A ($12, 4 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $12)
      SB checks, Hero bets $6, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, SB calls all-in $0.35.

      Turn: 5 ($24.35, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $12, Sidepot 1: $1.05, Sidepot 2: $11.3)
      Hero bets $6, UTG calls.

      River: 9 ($36.35, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $12, Sidepot 1: $1.05, Sidepot 2: $23.3)
      Hero is all-in $13.1, UTG calls.

      I'm posting whole hand because I would like to discusse about how to play those kind of hands. After this hand one player wrote it's embarassing for poker how I played this hand and I can agree with that...but today I played for like 4 hours and in 1200 hands I got one AA, two KK, two AK and some pockets and flopped nothing actually for whole day :(
      and then this rollercoster comes...I froze and didn't know how to raise it, how to extract as much as it's possible...

      please, post comments how would you play it! thanks.
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    • chenny8888
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      i probably bet 5$ on the flop, 7$ on the turn shove the river

      but whatever... small difference.

      NH!
    • SonicXT
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      I bet more on the flop, more like 9-10 $ and shove the turn.
      I wouldn't play this hand any different from a made hand that is still vulnerable to a flush draw (like KJ, AK, ...)

      This is the standard play, however, and I'd like some judge's opinion on this, on these limits people are very unaware of these unconventional unprotective betting patterns you're pulling and you probably get more out of your hand this way. They can't read anyway...
      Unsure what the best play at the higher micros is...
    • chenny8888
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      i bet less on the flop in order to give them the right price for drawing to a flush.

      this may be exploitable though, so at higher limits definitely bet a nice big amount.
    • Gungunhana
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      Can´t see anything wrong with your play. You have a very strong hand, don´t need protection and want to give good odds to the other players to keep them in the hand. I would bet more on the turn but that´s all
    • Dippy19
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      Who wrote that it was an embarrassment? Probably the guy who lost, huh. Today somebody wrote that I'm a joke because I only push or fold, I was short stacked in the bubble of a multy table sng. ???
    • nttflox
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      Originally posted by ancha666
      After this hand one player wrote it's embarassing for poker how I played this hand and I can agree with that...
      What's so embarassing? Your goal was to get all your money in and you did that. Good job.
    • debelinko
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      How is this a big full house?
      It's not even the nuts...

      Preflop: fold
      flop: bet around 9$
      turn: all-in
    • ancha666
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      Thanks everyone for comments, I re-evalvate my hand and it probably wasn't that bad!

      @Dippy19

      it was somebody I took all stack with aces over his kings few rounds before :D

      Preflop: fold


      MP3 was playing very very bad SSS if I can call this SSS (read-maniac)
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by ancha666
      Preflop: fold


      MP3 was playing very very bad SSS if I can call this SSS (read-maniac)
      Then I'd rather reraise and isolate him, I don't like playing AJ, OOP in a big pot.

      As played I'd raise $8 on the flop and push turn. If villain has an Ace or a Jack, he's probably gonna pay you off anyway. But if he's on a draw, you wanna try and get him all-in on the flop or turn while he still has hope to make his hand, he's not gonna pay you off on the river with a busted draw.

      Well, at least not most of the time, once I played a hand where I did get paid off on the river by a busted flush draw for his whole stack, but that was an exception and he was really steaming. :P
    • chenny8888
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      he's getting nice odds to call, and if the villains behind are not aggressive, they will not squeeze so...

      a reraise is risky IMO. AJs is too marginal to play like you say, and if someone decides to look him up he's suddenly out of position in a biiiig pot.
    • Faye6891
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      That's why I'd rather fold it. Don't think the odds are too good here to play OOP.
    • TribunCaesar
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      fold preflop.
      as played postflop:nh!
      At higher limits i would bet more on the flop.
      alternative line: c/c flop/bet turn/shove river.

      best regards,
      TribunCaesar