[NL20-NL50] NL25 trips vs TAG

    • matovicmilos
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      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J:heart: , 8:club:
      MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.75) 9:heart: , 6:club: , J:diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25.

      Turn: ($1.50) J:spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.00, MP2 folds, SB raises to $7.00, Hero calls $4.00.

      River: ($15.50) 3:club: (2 players)
      SB bets $19.38 (All-In), Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $34.88

      I had to put him on FH or better jack, what would you do here?
  • 14 replies
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      i call
    • ancha666
      ancha666
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      Originally posted by chenny8888
      i call
      if villain is really TAG then I would fold this one of course! With what would TAG player bet you all in? J7?
      I think you are right matovicmilos, villain is holding FH or better J that's almost for sure! I would'n risk all my chips on this kind of hand vs TAG, no way...
    • matovicmilos
      matovicmilos
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      Well it seemed that he isnt realy scarred of jack coming, and why would he push if he didnt have me beat. i obviosly "told" him that i have jack, so a bluff would be ridicolous imo
    • chenny8888
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      low-limit TAGs are not so solid.

      they are paying you off with any pocketpair, down to TT.

      with 2:1 odds, i think you're priced right to call.

      also, he just completed pre, what's to say he ISN'T holding a worse jack?

      sry, i can't fold this, even on such a drawless board
    • SonicXT
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      Me neither.
      And by 3-betting you he also told you he was gonna push any river. So why call the 3-bet if you gonna fold to a river push anyway ?
    • ancha666
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      @chenny, Sonic

      I don't know how you two have marked TAG players but when I mark TAG that means TAG so played like this I would put tagish villain on better hand.
    • matovicmilos
      matovicmilos
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      I dont know about the turn i guess it was automated call without thinking much, but i folded because i would play same way to get most value if i was him. It really seemed like value push
    • SonicXT
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      Originally posted by ancha666
      @chenny, Sonic

      I don't know how you two have marked TAG players but when I mark TAG that means TAG so played like this I would put tagish villain on better hand.
      It's possible, but if you call the 3-bet, you gonna call the river too. I might even push the turn there given that we're committed anyway.

      It's possible the guy has us, but we only need to win about 35-40 % of the time and those odds are good enough.

      If he was a good tag, he'd have raised 66-99, JT+ anyway.
    • chenny8888
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      and btw, TAG in my book does not mean TAG postflop.

      if he's playing TAG postflop, also, he is considered a rock in my opinion.

      against a rock, i can see myself folding, but if villain is anything other than this, then i will call.
    • Gungunhana
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      I would fold the turn. He bet/reraise the J and you are probably beat in most cases.

      @chenny88 I use to label a TAG as somebody with stats around
      VP$IP <15
      PRF <6
      AF >1.5
      WSD <25
      not only for his preflop stats
    • chenny8888
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      <15!

      that's not really TAG, that's just bad :P .

      OK, if he has AF 1.5+ then i will click call with a smile on my face. sort of like this :D
    • Gungunhana
      Gungunhana
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      Originally posted by chenny8888
      <15!

      that's not really TAG, that's just bad :P .

      OK, if he has AF 1.5+ then i will click call with a smile on my face. sort of like this :D
      Sry typed wrong, it is <25 not 15 and it is a nice smile ;)
    • sveri
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      In my opinion this definitely is a flop raise.
      You dont want so much players in the pot with such a weak hand and
      you need information.
      So a flop raise looks strong on such a board and you mabye can
      kickout both players.

      On the other Hand, if someone calls or reraises you can be sure you are
      beaten.
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      I also make a crying call. Otherwise one had to fold the turn and this is way too weak...