Cashout punishment

    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
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      Joined: 01.11.2008 Posts: 674
      I haven't had a single downswing since I cashed out at PokerStars and continued playing there for a while afterwards. I am seriously considering this "conspiracy theory" to hold some truth. I have never seen this many coolers in one day.
      Guess I've learned to cash out everything and never play again at a site I've just cashed out from. Definitely done with Bwin. On to deposit at a new site and get the depositor's upswing reward.

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    • Zheelvern
      Zheelvern
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      Joined: 29.10.2007 Posts: 704
      So they would like to punish you to make you lose everything and quit making rake to them.
      Sounds good, yeah.
    • fuzzyfish
      fuzzyfish
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      Joined: 12.01.2010 Posts: 862
      I'm a sceptical person. The first few times I ran hot when depositing to a new room and went on a doomer after cashing out I was like - meh, this is a coincidence. Surely it's not rigged. Now it has happened for like five times.

      Well, I'm still sceptical about it. But one can't help wondering...

      @ Zheelvern: winning players don't "create" rake. It all comes down to the cash-pool. Losing players bring in the money and winning players draw the money out. If there were no good players what would bad players do, play a little and then cash it out? No, they'll keep donking around untill it's all eaten up by rake. Only people who take money out from the circulation are good players. Room doesn't need good players for anything, maybe only to get the traffic numbers up temporarily.
    • EasyOnEAS
      EasyOnEAS
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      Joined: 16.08.2010 Posts: 59
      Originally posted by Zheelvern
      So they would like to punish you to make you lose everything and quit making rake to them.
      Sounds good, yeah.
      Why take the pokersites side here?

      I dont understand why everytime someone directly or indirectly "accuses" online poker of being rigged so many ordinary players turn against them. Think about all the stories we will never hear because those who sits on them dont want to get flamed and laughed at instead of listened to.

      How easy wouldnt it be for a pokersite to actually do these things when the community reacts to the stories like it does now?

      When someone genuinely experiences cashout curses like this it is something that has an extremely low probability to happen. We should be observant about other players experiences and not attack those with experiences that leads us to a negative result we dont want (rigged).
    • 1984ioc
      1984ioc
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      Originally posted by fuzzyfish
      I'm a sceptical person. The first few times I ran hot when depositing to a new room and went on a doomer after cashing out I was like - meh, this is a coincidence. Surely it's not rigged. Now it has happened for like five times.

      Well, I'm still sceptical about it. But one can't help wondering...
      +1
    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
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      Joined: 01.11.2008 Posts: 674
      Another day of running bad. Same site. I had $2565 there and decided to cash out. I had cleared 30% of a $100 bonus and decided not to cash everything out just so I could clear it, so I only cashed out $2000. Big mistake.
      Now I have $110 left and the bonus is at 93%. Bwin, I'm never coming back.
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Nice EV line.
    • Zheelvern
      Zheelvern
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      Why take the pokersites side here?

      I dont understand why everytime someone directly or indirectly "accuses" online poker of being rigged so many ordinary players turn against them. Think about all the stories we will never hear because those who sits on them dont want to get flamed and laughed at instead of listened to.

      How easy wouldnt it be for a pokersite to actually do these things when the community reacts to the stories like it does now?

      When someone genuinely experiences cashout curses like this it is something that has an extremely low probability to happen. We should be observant about other players experiences and not attack those with experiences that leads us to a negative result we dont want (rigged).
      I'm not attacking anyone neither taking any side. But saying cashout curse this, cashout curse that is just dumb. Even if it's true adjusting is supereasy: Deposit on new account > run hot > cashout and switch skins > billions $$$$
      :rolleyes:

      It's all superstition and nothing else.
    • buzzinowt
      buzzinowt
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      Joined: 12.09.2011 Posts: 80

      Why take the pokersites side here?

      I dont understand why everytime someone directly or indirectly "accuses" online poker of being rigged so many ordinary players turn against them. Think about all the stories we will never hear because those who sits on them dont want to get flamed and laughed at instead of listened to.

      How easy wouldnt it be for a pokersite to actually do these things when the community reacts to the stories like it does now?

      When someone genuinely experiences cashout curses like this it is something that has an extremely low probability to happen. We should be observant about other players experiences and not attack those with experiences that leads us to a negative result we dont want (rigged).
      Downswings have almost a 100% chance to occur if you play for any period.

      Sites are not rigged. It has been proven for multiple sites. Anyone with a million hands can find that they are within normal deviation of ev.
    • EasyOnEAS
      EasyOnEAS
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      Originally posted by buzzinowt
      Downswings have almost a 100% chance to occur if you play for any period.
      We are not talking about a normal dowswing here. We are talking about starting to lose right after cashing out, multiple times. It is possible, but chanse of its happening is very low.

      Originally posted by buzzinowtSites are not rigged. It has been proven for multiple sites. Anyone with a million hands can find that they are within normal deviation of ev.
      Rigging doesnt always mean that you go beyond normal devation of ev... Why would it?
    • Justin37
      Justin37
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      I cash out, n i start winning MORE n MORE...My next cash out will be before xmas!
    • Joshua13
      Joshua13
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Nice EV line.
      ++1 :s_cool:
    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
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      Sites are not rigged. It has been proven for multiple sites. Anyone with a million hands can find that they are within normal deviation of ev.


      Maybe, but it does not account for AA-KK, set over set, flush over flush. Plus, "EV" is still only all in EV, not money in EV. So if 70% of the money goes in before the river while you are ahead and only 30% on the river while you are behind it won't show on the EV line.
    • Castle93
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      shut up, people like you tilt the hell outta me, if yu think online is rigged dont play! go play at a casino unless you think the dealers are cheating.... why do you think sites care who wins a pot they only care about rake?
    • Maniatrix
      Maniatrix
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      Learn how to write before making useless posts.
    • Aruniux
      Aruniux
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      im done with pokerstars and im happy, so magical site i never saw before.
      this site is for donks not for good players. all poker info and theory dont work in this site :s_o:
    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      Joined: 08.10.2009 Posts: 4,022
      You would not believe but not long ago I made my first cash-out and my line has stopped to grow and instead now rush quickly down.

      Unfortunately, I don't believe in cosiracy theory, online rigged and stuff like that because doesn't make sense and there isn't any return for them to do that instead they can blow up their business for no reason so I will exclude any things like that.

      There is still the super-natural explaination but I would easily exclude that as well as I don't believe in magic.

      In fact, I m going to open a thread my self about my downswing as I would like see if I can get some advice.

      See you there :)
    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      @ Maniatrix: Sorry mate I forgot to say, Im all one with you as Im identify with your feel; in fact, seem listen my self thoughts when I read what you say.

      Absourde bust out and flush over flush with set over set and miracle's point for villian on the river and shxx like that!

      This hand is a mirror of what Im going threw

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
      SB ($1.03)
      ($3.55)
      UTG ($1.48)
      UTG+1 ($1.16)
      UTG+2 ($0.49)
      MP1 ($0.68)
      MP2 ($2.83)
      Hero ($2)
      CO ($1.88)

      UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, MP2 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.24, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP2 calls $0.16

      FLOP ($0.53) A:heart: J:diamond: A:diamond:

      MP2 bets $0.39, Hero raises to $1.76 (AI), MP2 calls $1.37

      TURN ($4.05) A:heart: J:diamond: A:diamond: Q:heart:

      RIVER ($4.05) A:heart: J:diamond: A:diamond: Q:heart: 2:spade:

      MP2 shows 2:club: A:club:
      (Pre 28%, Flop 20.0%, Turn 13.6%)

      Hero shows K:club: A:spade:
      (Pre 72%, Flop 80.0%, Turn 86.4%)

      MP2 wins $3.80

      or again like that

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
      SB ($5.31)
      Hero ($2)
      UTG ($1.84)
      UTG+1 ($3.22)
      UTG+2 ($0.80)
      MP1 ($2.06)
      CO ($1.09)
      BTN ($0.96)

      Dealt to Hero 8:spade: 2:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

      FLOP ($0.04) 2:diamond: T:diamond: 2:heart:

      SB checks, Hero bets $0.03, SB calls $0.03

      TURN ($0.10) 2:diamond: T:diamond: 2:heart: 6:club:

      SB checks, Hero bets $0.07, SB raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $5.26 (AI), Hero calls $1.55 (AI)

      RIVER ($4) 2:diamond: T:diamond: 2:heart: 6:club: K:club:

      SB shows J:club: 2:club:
      (Pre 70%, Flop 77.6%, Turn 86.4%)

      Hero shows 8:spade: 2:spade:
      (Pre 30%, Flop 22.4%, Turn 13.6%)

      SB wins $3.75

      very hard to digest as just in my last session I lost 5BI and it is a lost any session Im doing latest.

      All my solidarity and respect! :)
    • clawindsouza
      clawindsouza
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      Joined: 08.12.2009 Posts: 7,085
      well firstly you played the 82 hand badly...

      secondly..i think ppls mindset changes according to their cashier...so when they withdraw, they start playing differently. Hence the downswing.

      Cause this happens to most beginners/ppl who havent withdrawn too many times.

      I think once ppl stop thinking about the balance/money etc, these things will stop happening..

      easier said than done though..
    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      Joined: 08.10.2009 Posts: 4,022
      Originally posted by clawindsouza
      well firstly you played the 82 hand badly...

      ..
      Yeah mate, it was almost as an example :)
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