[NL2-NL10] Nl 55 17.11

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Pacific Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (UTG+1): $24.90
      MP: $23.45
      MP+1: $24.03
      CO: $20.88
      BTN: $27.42
      SB: $5.37
      BB: $20.00
      UTG: $19.61

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has 5:club: 5:diamond:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, fold, CO calls $0.80, BTN raises to $2.00, SB calls $1.90, fold, Hero calls $1.20, CO calls $1.20

      Flop: ($8.20, 4 players) 4:heart: J:heart: 5:heart:
      SB bets $3.37, Hero raises to $12.00, fold, BTN raises to $25.42, Hero calls $10.90

      Turn: ($57.37, 3 players) 3:spade:

      River: ($57.37, 3 players) J:spade:

      I know that I had correct odds to call but could you remind me how to do calculations?
      How much odd do I need to call? How does it work?

      As you know I'm preparing to NL20/25/30(I think it's the same limit). So far I play 4 tables for one hour per week, post hands to evaluation and read other users hands.
      I was searching interesting videos in polish and English forum but I'm a little disappointed. I want to do progress in my game so videos with open limp with PP doesn't interested me at all.
      Do you have any suggestions what I can do on my own?
      Of course, I'm aware of that private coaching would be the best but I would like to have a little experience before do it.
      I hope our coaching on NL10 is still valid and I don't want to change it. I'm still interested in this limit. I know that you will find leaks in my game and give me a lot of tips which help me.
      About our cooperation and private coaching on NL20 we will be talking in appointed coaching.
  • 5 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi,

      First easy question: how to calculate odds.
      You need to find size of the pot, which at this case is: 2$ (BU raise size)+2$(SB 1.9+ 0.1$)+0.2$ (big blind)+0.8$ (your raise size)+ 0.8$ (co call)=
      5.8$.
      Then you need to find how much more you need to call. This case 2$-0.8$ = 1.2$
      Then you divide total sum your calling amount 5.8$:1.2= 4.83:1 and if you want to know your equity with percents then 1/(1+4.83)= 17%.
      55 has 20% equity against overpairs, so you should always call there unless you think CO would suddenly shove and you´re forced out the pot.

      Do you have any suggestions what I can do on my own?
      - I would recommend playing maximum 4 tables and then doing hand review sessions (either friends) or yourself to figure out if you made some kind of mistake or could take different line. If you use HM or PT3 then see what is your winrate and if you think it should be higher, then looks positional stats where you´re loosing money and always it is helpful to find some sweat session group where you can watch friend plays and comment his came and visa versa .

      Good luck at nl 25. I think if you beat nl 10 like 5bb then you should definitely move up with proper bankroll.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      First easy question: how to calculate odds.
      You need to find size of the pot, which at this case is: 2$ (BU raise size)+2$(SB 1.9+ 0.1$)+0.2$ (big blind)+0.8$ (your raise size)+ 0.8$ (co call)=
      5.8$.
      Then you need to find how much more you need to call. This case 2$-0.8$ = 1.2$
      Then you divide total sum your calling amount 5.8$:1.2= 4.83:1 and if you want to know your equity with percents then 1/(1+4.83)= 17%.
      55 has 20% equity against overpairs, so you should always call there unless you think CO would suddenly shove and you´re forced out the pot.
      Thanks very much, it's clear now.
      One more question... 20% (55vsOP which calculate on pokerstove) must be bigger that equity need to call, in this example 17%, am I right?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      Well, obviously that isn't what you were looking for. :D The calculations you were looking for it's the set mining calculations.
      Pot is already calculated which is $5,80. Your stack is 24,90 according BTN stack. Villain effective stack = 22,90 since he raised already for $2. For us to Call $1,20, which means (5,80+22,9)/1,20 = ~24:1 odds. :) So perfect set mining odds.

      Do you have any suggestions what I can do on my own?

      Well, unfortunately there ain't that many good FR videos. There are some new ones, which you could look. Take this link: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/#contenttype=0&gametype=3&tablesize=1&languages=en&levels=bronze,silver,gold&lowerlimit=0&upperlimit=100&ob=date&od=desc&page=1&rpp=10

      Lets hope you will rock the NL20 tables. :)

      Best Regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      how much do we need odds to call?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      how much do we need odds to call?
      For 3bet pot we can even use Call15 rule so 15:1.