[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH AQo

    • JHTAN
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      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($10)
      BB ($9.62)
      UTG ($3.10)
      UTG+1 ($4.14)
      CO ($3.95)
      BTN ($29.63)

      Dealt to Hero Q:heart: A:club:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BB raises to $1, fold

      BB wins $0.70

      Hi,

      BB is unknown. So, I guess vs UNKNOWN then it is better to be nitty.
      Do you think call 3bet or 4bet/fold or just fold to 3bet?
      I just fold to 3bet without any information on this player.

      thanks.
  • 16 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Hello JHTAN,

      Nah, it's not nitty. You just invested 4BB here, not worth unless we know him better. Of course there could be an option to 4bet/Fold as well but I doubt that it's gonna be very good idea vs unknown not even full stack.

      Best Regards.
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello JHTAN,

      Nah, it's not nitty. You just invested 4BB here, not worth unless we know him better. Of course there could be an option to 4bet/Fold as well but I doubt that it's gonna be very good idea vs unknown not even full stack.

      Best Regards.
      Hello veriz,

      do you consider calling 3bet if it is suited or pocket pairs?

      thanks.
    • veriz
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      do you consider calling 3bet if it is suited or pocket pairs?

      Most likely only with PPs since we would get 15:1 odds but obviously then as well we have to expect him to have rather stronger 3bet range not very loose one.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello JHTAN,

      Nah, it's not nitty. You just invested 4BB here, not worth unless we know him better. Of course there could be an option to 4bet/Fold as well but I doubt that it's gonna be very good idea vs unknown not even full stack.

      Best Regards.
      Hi veriz,

      do you play the same with AKo or AKs?

      thanks
    • veriz
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      do you play the same with AKo or AKs?

      Still towards 4bet/Fold being OOP than Calling. It's gonna be really hard to play the hand anyways OOP for us even if it's AK or even AKs.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      do you play the same with AKo or AKs?

      Still towards 4bet/Fold being OOP than Calling. It's gonna be really hard to play the hand anyways OOP for us even if it's AK or even AKs.
      I guess JJ still 4bet/fold?
      how about QQ?
      I will go broke with KK+.
    • veriz
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      I guess JJ still 4bet/fold? how about QQ?

      Those hands you can easily even Call while he is giving you great odds for even set mining. :) We are getting ~15:1 odds which is good for set mining and sometimes our overpair might even be good postflop.

      I will go broke with KK+.

      Yep, we are going broke with KK+ easily.
    • JHTAN
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      [quote]Originally posted by veriz
      I guess JJ still 4bet/fold? how about QQ?

      Those hands you can easily even Call while he is giving you great odds for even set mining. :) We are getting ~15:1 odds which is good for set mining and sometimes our overpair might even be good postflop.

      So, we are going to call all pocket pairs to setmine?

      thanks. ;)
    • veriz
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      So, we are going to call all pocket pairs to setmine?

      Rather very low PPs I wouldn't. Something like 66+.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      So, we are going to call all pocket pairs to setmine?

      Rather very low PPs I wouldn't. Something like 66+.

      why we can't setmine with low PPs?
      we just play fit/fold postflop.

      thanks.
    • veriz
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      why we can't setmine with low PPs? we just play fit/fold postflop.

      Well, you might be too often against bigger PPs then and might be set vs set for example. Also with 66 you can easily even sometimes continue on the flop if we expect him to 3bet with wider range but with 22 or something similar you most likely have to just fold the hand.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      why we can't setmine with low PPs? we just play fit/fold postflop.

      Well, you might be too often against bigger PPs then and might be set vs set for example. Also with 66 you can easily even sometimes continue on the flop if we expect him to 3bet with wider range but with 22 or something similar you most likely have to just fold the hand.
      so, against someone who rarely 3bet vs steal, let say 5% then we can call with low PPs, right? I wish to know what is the probability for set vs set. :D

      thanks
    • Slurpee
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      where would we all be without veriz o.O great thread explained some good stuff for me
    • veriz
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      so, against someone who rarely 3bet vs steal, let say 5% then we can call with low PPs, right? I wish to know what is the probability for set vs set.

      Well, it would depend on the raise size as well. If he is raising big then you most likely can't afford that. :(
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by veriz
      so, against someone who rarely 3bet vs steal, let say 5% then we can call with low PPs, right? I wish to know what is the probability for set vs set.

      Well, it would depend on the raise size as well. If he is raising big then you most likely can't afford that. :(
      Hello veriz,

      Is that good to always good broke on Flop with bottom set without any read?
      For example, we call preflop with pocket Ts in BU vs UTG open raises 4x and the Flop is T :spade: J :diamond: Q :club:

      thanks.
    • veriz
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      Hello JHTAN,

      Well, of course we are going directly broke vs UTG range. Which could be really wide there, not only strong made hands. Just think of the situation this way, what kind of hands do you expect him to raise UTG? And then put that kind of range into the equilab, for example if he even has a very strong range:

      Board: T:spade: J:diamond: Q:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    53.63%  52.53%   1.10% { TdTh }
      UTG+1  46.37%  45.26%   1.10% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }

      We are still getting decent equity. But of course we could maybe even sometimes make it wider.

      Best Regards.