preflop stats in abc FL

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    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      I mean how do they usually look on a big sample like 100k hands?
    • OnkelHotte
      OnkelHotte
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      Hi slipkn6t,

      Stats of course always depend on the amount of players.

      Full Ring vs Short handed. And even Full Ring can be 9 or 10 handed, short handed can be 5 or 6 handed.

      Thus the following numbers are indicators which can vary.

      FR 9-10 handed: 14/9-10 - 16/11-12
      SH 5-6 handed: 24/18 - 28/22

      4-handed: VPIP 35 +-5, PFR 26 +-3
      3-handed: VPIP 50 +-8, PFR 38 +-5

      We have a very good article in our gold section which deals in great detail with short handed stats: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1111/1/
      Maybe worth to get Gold status for:-)

      Regarding your stats:
      15 PFR is absolutely reasonable for 9-10 handed games. However 7 PFR seems to be a leak.
      This means you either limp too often instead of raising or you play a bit too tight in general but defend or complete too many hands in the SB or BB.

      Does this post help you a bit?

      Best,
      Tobias
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      hi, OnkelHotte!
      Never seen you in this section before, was it a missclick :D
      Now my stats from 765 hands are 11.5/6.8/2.4 (vpip/pfr/3bet). I guess 3bet is fine, because 2.4% is almost the exact 3bet range from the chart (QQ+, AKo, AKs = 2.56%).
      Should I start worrying that I misunderstood the shc somewhere or is it just a small sample yet?
      PS: I play FR (10 max).
    • NIVEKii
      NIVEKii
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      Hey slipkn6t,

      I wouldn't worry too much about your vpip/pfr at this stage, as your total hands (< 1,000) is way too low to accurately deduct anything. You will see that those numbers may vary quite a lot on low samplesizes like your own.

      All the best,

      NIVEKii
    • OnkelHotte
      OnkelHotte
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      hi, OnkelHotte!
      Never seen you in this section before, was it a missclick :D
      Now my stats from 765 hands are 11.5/6.8/2.4 (vpip/pfr/3bet). I guess 3bet is fine, because 2.4% is almost the exact 3bet range from the chart (QQ+, AKo, AKs = 2.56%).
      Should I start worrying that I misunderstood the shc somewhere or is it just a small sample yet?
      PS: I play FR (10 max).
      Hola!

      I have to admit that - as a German - I am more active in the German Community. However I want to be also active here as the English Community is a very nice Community :-)

      Regarding your question:
      Your stats are absolutely fine according to the Starting hand chart here: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1535/1/

      Please be advised that his SHC is supposed to be very beginner friendly and to avoid major mistakes. This makes it a very good foundation and a good strategy at all.

      However once you became are more experienced in Postflop decisions you could move on to the advanced Perflop Strategy taught in this article:
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1635/

      My advice: Study the article but keep to the current strategy while studying and play 3-4k hands in total. Once you really understood the article try the suggested charts with few tables and make your first experiences.

      The strategy taught in advanced open raising allow you to have a higher winrate compared to the Basic SHC but the risk of making big mistakes is even higher and the variance increases. You must find out if you are ready yet for that :-)

      Hope this advice helps you and best regards,
      Tobias
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,582
      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/225/1/
      Originally posted by OnkelHotte
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1535/1/
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1635/
      :facepalm: :coolface:
    • OnkelHotte
      OnkelHotte
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      Joined: 16.01.2005 Posts: 18,432
      My apologies I confused it.

      I meant of course the advanced Preflop Charts for Fixed Limit on our Bronze Section:

      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/793/1/

      Here is the advanced SHC for Fullring Games:
      http://resources.pokerstrategy.com/oldresources/en/strategy/ps_chart_fl_b_fullring_en.pdf

      This is your next step once your are confident with your current chart.

      In case you want to extend the amount of tables you can join you should get familiar with the Short handed play and Preflop charts which can be found here:
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/265/1/

      All very good stuff:)

      Best,
      Tobias