Mindset issue over tourney cash

    • deezer79
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      I'm sure most players have had this angry little monster in their heads. Wanted to write this in with a thread I posted under Successes but thought it was a different topic:

      When I take a beat while running deep in a I'm left with a lot of feelings of regret and resentment. Usually play 6-player SnGs and CGs so I don't often run deep in big games. Cashed 17th out of 675 and got taken out by a nasty beat. I should have went deeper. Maybe I could have won. $6 game and cashed for $37.50, 1st was over $800 - how awesome would it have been to win that?! I had a good chance and was robbed of it. It was the right move to call his shove with what I had but had I of folded there might have been a better spot.

      I feel like the Karate Kid on that table after the semi-finals with a busted up leg, but where's Mr Miyagi to rub it and give me a second chance? How will I find balance?
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    • 18andabused
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      Why do you think they robbed you?
      That's a seriously bad mindset.

      You didn't get robbed you got badbeat,suckedout,coolers get over it happens , move on and play the next game , don't care about results, care about doing the right play.
    • deezer79
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      nah, I get robbed. Real money leaves my account when bullshit happens. There's no way I could be any more than a casual player cos tilt hits me too hard. Hardly played at all today and I'm raging, fucking murderous. Totally understand the wild-west cliche of shooting people at poker tables. Just played one SnG and J5 takes out my KK - $11 mugging. What does the "right play" matter when your BR disappears? Gotta take at least a couple of days off now and have no idea how I'm going to calm down. When I cash a little (like in the tourney below) it softens the blow cos my BR has gone up despite making that right decision. This isn't helping...sorry for ranting
    • lynius
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      Ye, they're a bad beat, literally, it sucks.

      I play cash or SnGs, but MTT is huge variance.

      I came 12/4000 in a vip freeroll ($1000) the other day for $6. 1st was $156. I was 1st place for a while for a long time for a fair difference to 2nd. 20 hands later and I'm out.

      Who cares though? I want my bankroll to grow, I have to invest time.

      2

      If poker does really affect you than Jared Tendler's book is pretty good on these things. I believe he has a thread around here, check it out with the search function.

      There are also some strategy articles on tilt and psychology, go check them out,

      3

      Well done on taking a break and not donking away your bankroll. We all have times when we need a break.
    • Fagin
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      Originally posted by deezer79
      nah, I get robbed. Real money leaves my account when bullshit happens. .......... Just played one SnG and J5 takes out my KK - $11 mugging. What does the "right play" matter when your BR disappears?
      Personally I think you look at things the wrong way. The $11 left your account way before the J5 beat your KK. That $11 was the entry fee you paid which gave you the opportunity to put your KK up against his J5 (as an 82% :18% favourite I might add). I doubt there are many on this site who would refuse those odds, most would happily take that chance every time, I know I would.

      You were not mugged for $11 as it was gone already. You lost the $11 from your BR as soon as you registered for the S&G as that was the listed price to play that game. Those who win get some cash back and those who don't, don't.

      You made the right play and that is what matters most. If you are unable to see that then I would question if you should be playing at the $11 level anyway.

      If you are focusing on the cash more than making the right decisions then perhaps you would be better playing at a lower level.

      Just my opinion, and I have been known to be wrong.
    • deezer79
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      Both nice posts and thanks for the input. I posted that 40 mins ago and my heartbeat has just dropped to a normal rate. I did log back into the post to try to delete it as I was a little ashamed of what I wrote. Was just so mad. Taking a break is still a good idea I think, not so angry anymore but know I would not play normally after the day I've had.

      Should read a mindset book I think but to be honest, what I read regarding tilt does little to comfort me. Jared's thread included. Who knows though? If I put some serious study into why I react the way I do then I could become a more dedicated player. I really would like to be one of those guys who plays 6-8hrs non-stop but I'm lucky to go an hour without some horrendous shit happening that makes me want to quit for the day (or longer).
    • antstruk
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      Yea you have some major mindset problems, all the above posts are helpful. Another way to look at it is that if the fishes J5 never beats your KK then there would never be any fish left. When a fish sucks out on you it can be a good thing.
    • KozakFB
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      This is the main reason why I moved to cash from tourneys.

      Getting a bad beat in a tourney hurts so much especially if you were playing well..

      In cash you lose a BI and shrug it off knowing some idiot is going to pay off your Aces soon.
    • deezer79
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      Not playing online but have spent the last couple of nights with poker on my mind. Played a home game for play chips with friends last night (we did play a quid-in SnG between the 4 of us, won that) and tonight I went to my local casino to play a £20 Freezeout. The latter was fun but had a bad time of it, no bad beats - just a couple of coolers to see me on my way. Feeling much better about it all :) .
    • lynius
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      Well as a beginner, there are times I just have to get away from the table. I usually end up coming back when I've forgotten about whatever beat it was.

      When it comes to the amount of cash I'm playing for and the fact it's just a game, there's nothing to scar.
    • deezer79
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      3 SnGs in at 888 after short break and I need another. So many suck outs in so short a time. Maybe I should switch to cash - they seem out to get me. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean it's not rigged :) .
    • 18andabused
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      Allright , i don't want to insult you , but you suck at poker and your mindset is trash either work on both or you will stress yourself all the time.
    • deezer79
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      I agree my mindset is trash, it's probably the biggest flaw in my game and I want help with it. Definately holding me back.

      I'm sure you do mean to insult me by saying I suck at poker and as we've never played, perhaps you should go f*** yourself :) .

      Gonna play some FR NL20 tonight and see how it goes, totally looking forward to it.
    • KozakFB
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      NL20 already? wow.

      Whats your BR?
    • deezer79
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      Currently have $450 in my BR. Ended up playing NL10 that night tho as I wanted to play 4 tables at once and felt a little nervous about playing with $80 at once. Not sure why.
    • FingersMalone
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      Apropos of the mindset, you could research the concept of deindividuation.

      Forgive the plundering of Wikpedia here but...

      "Deindividuation theory has also been applied to genocide and has been posited as an explanation for antinormative behavior online and in computer-mediated communications."

      It helps explain why we get more annoyed at bad beats online than we do at live games.

      It won't tell you how to stop getting annoyed; but a little understanding always helps and it also assists to know that we are all prone to the condition.
    • deezer79
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      888.com wont be taking my money for much longer. I love playing SnGs so much but the 3 outers flow there. Seem to be doing fine in cash but getting it in good means fuck all in their SnGs. Cash must be the way to go.
    • conall88
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      the grass is greener....
    • Spungeh
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      Your mindset says a few things to me.

      1. You think you deserve something
      2. You think you are better than everyone
      3. You think that just because you hold a KK/AA, then nothing should win.

      Answers to these are that....

      1. You have to fight for everything, and nothing is handed to you. Keep going and you will be fine long term, just make the right decisions.
      2. You could play 1million hands, someone could be on their first, you can still lose.
      3. You could hold AA, and someone 72o, you can still easily lose. Thats why poker is addicting, as you get ups and downs.



      Good luck at the tables.
    • deezer79
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      The answers I give to your mindset statements would be:
      1) How did you come to that assumption (sorry to answer a question with a question)?
      2) Of course not, I still have so much to learn! I feel that I am a solid, winning player and I have trouble with handling running bad.
      3) I am far from a tight player and my range is fairly wide. The suited-connector gods call to me strongly. Who doesn't get giddy when they see 8-10 of diamonds infront of them? I think AJ is a better hand than A6 around 74% of the time. I feel QQ is a better hand than 7-7 about 80% of the time. My BR is dipping 'cos 888 thinks differently in SnGs.

      Problem is with SnGs is that those decisions that A-J is better than the range that the button is raising with is one that would cost me my entire buy-in. So when they call a 13BB shove with A6-A9, Christ knows why I'm happy. You know that kicker will be paired on the flop. Right decision but wrong results and that causes me to tilt to the point that I shouldn't play, or don't want to play anymore. If making those decisions will get me ahead in the long-term, I have to fight through it and keep playing during the short-term.
      CGs I find easier to handle cos if I lose a third of my buy-in due to those kind of suck-outs, I can keep playing and win the money back. Not so with SnGs.