# Help me understand the VIP system

• Silver
Joined: 20.11.2009
Hello!

Ever since Fulltilt closed I've been playing on iPoker, getting 55% rakeback. But the software is just terrible, and I don't think I'm gonna be able to take it much longer. So if Fulltilt isn't back by January, I'm thinking about moving to stars.

I hate VIP reward programs, much prefer just standard RB, but since there are no other options I guess I'll just have to suck it up. The thing is, I have no idea how this works. And reading about it on stars' website on 2p2 doesn't help me either, so I figured, I'd just ask a very specific question.

My plan is to play 100nl 6max, starting from January. I haven't played on stars before, so I'd be starting as a Bronze star (?). I hope I can manage 120k hands a month for 12 months, so I'll just use these numbers.

So I used this http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/calculator/

put in the numbers and got this:

VPPs/Day
1,433

VPPs/Week
10,030

VPPs/Month
42,984

Can anyone who has actually used the stars VIP system, or is playing similar stakes volume there, can answer these questions:

1. Is the calculator about right?
2. Do I actually have to play this year, or will I still get the \$40k if I start on January starting from zero?
3. How do I get the 40k, do I get it all at the end of the year or some other way?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
• 9 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 09.01.2009
Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only \$4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200
Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

Total: \$40,462.58
\$/VPP: \$0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying \$4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask
• Bronze
Joined: 15.01.2011
Ye, as previous poster said. Most your cash will come from buying the \$4000 bonuses in the VIP shop - though you are free to spend on tournament tickets instead. Ofcourse, the \$4k purchases will give you the greatest rakeback, you can play around in the calculator to see the differences depending on what you buy.

You'll also have money basically thrown at you as well for unlocking their stellar and milestone rewards.

Good luck with the 100K+ hands a month.
• Bronze
Joined: 27.09.2009
Thank you Bigniux
• Silver
Joined: 20.11.2009
• Bronze
Joined: 09.01.2009
You're welcome
• Bronze
Joined: 15.10.2009
120k hands a month!!!

wow, how mnay tables and how many hours a day?
• Silver
Joined: 20.11.2009
I'm hoping that 40-45hrs a week and 10 tables will be enough. If not I can play 12 tables, but don't want to play 50 or more hrs a week. Ideally I'd be able to move to 200nl in a couple of months.
• Bronze
Joined: 17.05.2011
Originally posted by Bigniux
Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only \$4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200
Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

Total: \$40,462.58
\$/VPP: \$0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying \$4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask
Quality reply.I am extremley new to forums and internet chatting in general but i jst want to say that i think it is incredibly nice of someone to spend there time and effort replying in such an in depth way to somebody that i assume they do not know and expect nothing in return.Kudos to you Bigniux what a stand up guy.
• Bronze
Joined: 27.09.2009
Originally posted by xlesleyx
Originally posted by Bigniux
Hey, i don't play cash, but i can try to help you

According to this site, on average player gets 0.364VPP/hand @ NL100 6max. Now we'll use this calculator to calculate your total expected rakeback assuming you'll play total 1,44M hands(that's what you hope to manage ). 1,440,000*0.364=524160 VPPs/year.

Assuming that you will buy only \$4,000 bonuses for 250,000 FPPs, your total rakeback at the end of the year will be:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)
VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200
Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

Total: \$40,462.58
\$/VPP: \$0.0771950854701
Rakeback: 42.5% (Tournaments/SH Cash) or 46.3% (FR Cash)

Now the ways you'll get them:

FPPs: \$27,662.58 (1728911 FPPs @ \$0.016 per FPP)

^^This is assuming you're buying \$4,000 bonuses, which you can buy for 250,000 FPPs, it will take a bit more time at the start, because you're starting as Bronze star so you'll be getting less FPPs at the start
(Bronze: 1VPP = 1FPP, Silver: 1VPP=1.5FPP, Gold: 1VPP=2FPP, Platinum 1VPP=2.5FPP, Supernova: 1VPP=3.5FPP).
You will be able to buy them everytime you have 250,000 FPPs(you'll be able to get first one after 2-3 months)

VIP Stellar Rewards: \$1200

These are given for reaching specific VPP milestones and you have to buy them for 1 FPP from VIP Store, last one will be awarded when you reach 100,000 VPPs.

Milestone Cash Credits: \$11600

These are also VPP milestones, works same as Stellar rewards, you have to buy them from the store for 1 FPP after reaching specific total VPP count.