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[NL2-NL10] straight on monotone board multiway

    • cutegoldfish
      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 4,335
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $5 (100 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $6.68 (133.6 bb)
      SB: $3.80 (76 bb)
      BB: $5 (100 bb)
      UTG: $8.26 (165.2 bb)
      MP: $4.81 (96.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 T
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.60) Q 8 J (4 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.15, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.05, SB folds, BB raises to $4.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.80

      Turn: ($10.30) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($10.30) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $10.30 pot ($0.51 rake)
      Final Board: Q 8 J 6 Q
      CO mucked and lost (-$0.15 net)
      Hero mucked 9 T and lost (-$5 net)
      SB mucked and lost (-$0.15 net)
      BB showed 5 4 and won $9.79 ($4.79 net)

      i was thinking that people would usually tighten up on a monotone flop, and given that it was 4way- its very likely that he would have a completed flushwhere i have 0 equity, or a A high FD which would have 30% equity against me, and i would be better giving it up after i raised.

      i expected A high FD to call to draw and completed flushes to shove over.
  • 2 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343

      If you´re going to raise/fold flop then making it 0.7$ is better than 1.05$. If you don´t see them shoving A high flushdraws, you can consider raise/folding, since players would likely get all-in only flushes and b/c with draws and two pair hands.

      Best regards,
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello cutegoldfish,

      Well, the question is. What kind of assumptions do you have on the opponent? With what do you expect him to go broke here? What kind of opponent are we here against?

      Overall the raise size ain't wrong but the question is if we really should fold here? We need ~37% equity here. Our idea with the raise was to protect our hand. If we also expect him to play this way with QJ/sets:

      Board: Q:diamond: 8:diamond: J:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    43.90%  42.23%   1.67% { Ts9s }
      UTG+1  56.10%  54.42%   1.67% { JJ, 88, QJs, AdTd, KdTd, Kd9d, 7d6d, Ad5d, 6d5d, Ad4d, 5d4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, QJo }

      This will be our equity. If we of course take into account the odds after our raise.

      Before the raise we would need a lot more equity which is going to be towards 47% equity, which tells us rather to fold the hand. And most likely being even in a multiway pot and if he is rather passive opponent and wouldn't have such a range then folding would be the best play.

      Best Regards.