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[NL2-NL10] nl10 fr QQ BU

    • tofu22
      Joined: 18.10.2008 Posts: 659
      Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BTN): $11.90
      SB: $9.89
      BB: $11.29
      UTG: $10.38
      UTG+1: $3.00
      MP: $10.00
      MP+1: $13.09
      CO: $12.70

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.85

      Flop: ($2.45, 2 players) 3:diamond: T:spade: 7:diamond:
      BB bets $10.09, fold

      villain 44/13/ inf (16)

      since he was basically unknown i thought it was best to give it up.
  • 4 replies
    • MJPerry
      Joined: 03.10.2011 Posts: 4,910
      Personally I'm 4-betting pre and calling that flop, but I don't play full ring.
    • luizsilveira
      Joined: 27.11.2010 Posts: 2,320
      Hi, tofu22!

      Considering the positions involved I would certainly 4bet and call here. He knows your BTN range is weak so he will 3bet weaker hands; that means we can profitably 4bet and get it in preflop (mind that if you or him were on early positions that changes it all).

      Once you called, why did you call? To get a favourable flop, right? So there you go, an (almost) perfect flop for your ladies. It doesn't make sense to fold there.

      He might go all in with a T (like AT), with JJ, with A:diamond: K:diamond: /A:diamond: Q:diamond: and so many other hands you beat!

      Plus, I think if he had AA, KK or TT he wouldn't go all in all the sudden and would bet smaller to induce you to call.

      Of course he can show up there sometimes with hands that beat you but hey, that's poker. You can't be 100% sure all the time when the money goes in; if you consider his whole range, you're crushing him on this flop.

      Finally, if he does have AA, he didn't win the hand. It's actually a tie. Why? Because next time you will have the AA, your opponent will have the QQ and you will go all in all the same. Money comes and goes but no one actually wins money on those "coolers". But if your opponent had JJ or AT, you let go the opportunity to get some of his $, because you wouldn't do the same if you were the one with AT, right? :)
    • tofu22
      Joined: 18.10.2008 Posts: 659
      thanks to both :)
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello tofu22,

      Well, actually it doesn't mean that we always have to Call if we Called preflop on dry flop. :D We can still even consider giving up our hand depending on the opponent and the actions.

      But of course I'd rather consider 4betting here while the opponent even seems to be more looser side and we are stealing from the BU.

      Also even if we put him on such a range as:

      Board: 3:diamond: T:spade: 7:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    66.96%  64.97%   1.99% { TT+, AdKd, AdQd }
      UTG+1  33.04%  31.05%   1.99% { QhQc }

      We can't still fold the hand. :) So I don't mind it at all. But if we would add something like AT into his 3betting range then sure, we will be able to Call there.

      Best Regards.