[NL2-NL10] KK cbet our not???

    • RDKNAUF91
      RDKNAUF91
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.07.2010 Posts: 219
      What u think about Cbet in this spots ??
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $7,33
      Hero:
      $4

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.105 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K:diamond: , K:club:
      MP3 folds, Hero raises to $0,16, BU folds, SB calls $0,14, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0,36) A:diamond: , 8:heart: , 3:club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($0,36) J:club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0,26, SB calls $0,26.

      River: ($0,88) 4:heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $0,88, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $1,76
  • 9 replies
    • adsefghijk
      adsefghijk
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.02.2011 Posts: 247
      Definitely cbet the flop. I'd say around $0.26 - $0.28. Giving up on the flop is way too weak.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello RDKNAUF91,

      I like your play actually. :) There ain't gonna be many worse hands which pay you anyways. Nice hand!

      Best Regards.
    • adsefghijk
      adsefghijk
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.02.2011 Posts: 247
      Veriz, why don't you want to cbet the flop? His range is really wide so he doesn't have an ace more often than he does and we can easily fold if raised. By checking we are giving him the chance to bluff us out on the turn as a check behind on the flop IP indicates weakness.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by adsefghijk
      Veriz, why don't you want to cbet the flop? His range is really wide so he doesn't have an ace more often than he does and we can easily fold if raised. By checking we are giving him the chance to bluff us out on the turn as a check behind on the flop IP indicates weakness.
      Why should we? Even if he is a station we can still get a lot more value from later streets with skipping the CB.
    • adsefghijk
      adsefghijk
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.02.2011 Posts: 247
      Because you are completely clueless where do you stand at if the SB bets out the turn. He could do that not only with an ace but also with hands we beat. And if you call the turn bet, you would still have a hard decision on the river. Wouldn't it be better to take down the pot right on the flop?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by adsefghijk
      Because you are completely clueless where do you stand at if the SB bets out the turn. He could do that not only with an ace but also with hands we beat. And if you call the turn bet, you would still have a hard decision on the river. Wouldn't it be better to take down the pot right on the flop?
      What do you think, which is better. Let an aggressive opponent bluff? And maybe get called from worse PPs later on.

      Or your idea, CB the flop and don't get value at all and valuetown yourself vs Ax. :)
    • adsefghijk
      adsefghijk
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      Joined: 19.02.2011 Posts: 247
      If we cbet and get raised on the flop, we are sure that he has Ax or a set and fold easily. If we check behind and bet the turn, the situation is exactly the same except we have less information and are completely clueless what he's holding at the river. He wouldn't have lost more if he had cbet the flop.
    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
      Gold
      Joined: 04.01.2009 Posts: 5,069
      I think we sstill get value on flop from 8x, 99-QQ, sicne they also don't believe taht we have an ace everytime we cbet. The biggest problems is taht he is agresive nad might bluff on later streets. If he would be pasive, then it would be easier to playe if we don't cbet.

      But if we don't cbet with KK, then we could also skip the cbet with A2 for example. And probably with A2 its easier to skip the cbet, because if he decides to bluff on later streets, its more likely that we are ahead, since our ace blocks his aces, so we could call more easily on turn.
    • MihaiSavin
      MihaiSavin
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.11.2011 Posts: 17
      Yeah first I was gonna say cbet flop, but now I think its a good check there...the flop is quite dry, what worse hand could he pay with?