[NL2-NL10] NL4; SH: JJ agnst shortstack

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $5.53 (138.3 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $7.92 (198 bb)
      SB: $0.96 (24 bb)
      BB: $7.29 (182.3 bb)
      UTG: $0.98 (24.5 bb)
      MP: $5.26 (131.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
      UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.36, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.62

      Flop: ($2.02) T K 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($2.02) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($2.02) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $2.02 pot ($0.13 rake)
      Final Board: T K 7 6 8
      Hero mucked J J and lost (-$0.98 net)
      UTG showed A K and won $1.89 ($0.91 net)

      Our opponent's stats: VP/PFR/AF/3bt/hands 17/17/2.0/11.1/47

      Is this a good hand to go broke with against his range? Could we have called? Is he going broke with worse?
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    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      Against his stack pretty standard, I wouldn't play it any differently. :) Nice hand!

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      This probably concerns playing against shortstacks in general, but when we 3bet here with JJ against a player like this, do we ever get it in against worse? It is a UTG raise and his range should already be strong in addition to his small stack size. He most likely never flats and either folds or pushes and when he pushes we get a coinflip at best.

      Can we call against shortstacks?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      This probably concerns playing against shortstacks in general, but when we 3bet here with JJ against a player like this, do we ever get it in against worse? It is a UTG raise and his range should already be strong in addition to his small stack size. He most likely never flats and either folds or pushes and when he pushes we get a coinflip at best.

      Can we call against shortstacks?
      Nah, I don't like Calling that much, we might get value from AK or such type of hands but from we wont get postflop. Therefore rather just get it in vs his stack. And why should we be some times ahead? It was right now the case as well.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      We are not that far ahead here. Do you think he is pushing with worse PPs?

      I am not familiar with 6max shortstack strategy, but tell me: if he is a good player, which I have no reason to doubt as of yet, is he even raising all PPs and many worse hands there?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      We are not that far ahead here. Do you think he is pushing with worse PPs?

      I am not familiar with 6max shortstack strategy, but tell me: if he is a good player, which I have no reason to doubt as of yet, is he even raising all PPs and many worse hands there?
      Well, playing with that kind of stack it already tells me that he ain't a good player. :D He may easily have worse and of course the hands as AQ/AK.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Is the short stack strategy not doable in 6max games?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Is the short stack strategy not doable in 6max games?
      More rather MSS strategy I'd say. :) But on those stakes there are rarely really good MSS players.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      So generally I can make the assumption that a shortstacker in a 6max game is quite likely not to be a good player?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      So generally I can make the assumption that a shortstacker in a 6max game is quite likely not to be a good player?
      On those limits most likely. :)
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Ok, thanks!