[NL2-NL10] NL4; SH: 22 openraise with aggro image

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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      SB: $6.25 (156.3 bb)
      BB: $4.12 (103 bb)
      Hero (MP): $4.97 (124.2 bb)
      CO: $1.73 (43.3 bb)
      BTN: $5.07 (126.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 2 2
      Hero raises to $0.14, CO folds, BTN calls $0.14, SB folds, BB raises to $0.44, Hero folds, BTN calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.04) 4 2 7 (2 players)
      BB bets $0.52, BTN folds

      Results: $1.04 pot ($0.06 rake)
      Final Board: 4 2 7
      BB mucked and won $0.98 ($0.54 net)
      BTN mucked and lost (-$0.44 net)

      The BB has the following stats: VP/PFR/AF/3bt/hands 73/33/5.5/22.2/16
      We had been pretty active before and have a relatively active image

      Combining both of the above-mentioned factors, does it make sense to openraise this PP?
  • 8 replies
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,250
      You can always raise it smaller if you're concerned about getting 3bet by him, although I definitely wouldn't base any reads you may have constructed on him on 16 hands.

      Also, if you're confident BU will call if you call BB's 3bet then you could make a case for calling his 3bet with implied odds, as position isn't as important as usual in these situations since the hand plays itself. If you flop a set, you figure out the way to best get it in, if not you fold.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      But all-in all we should definitely not fold this preflop? Even if we have been playing a relatively high number of hands recently and therefore have a loose image?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      But all-in all we should definitely not fold this preflop? Even if we have been playing a relatively high number of hands recently and therefore have a loose image?
      With those very small PPs most likely I would have done it like 22-55 rather than raise if we have some maniacs in the hand. Those PPs ain't very strong and they will even less likely be played on higher stakes where you wont get paid that easily.

      But as played you can easily Call for the given odds while there multiple opponents and being a bit deeper even with one of them.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      1) So you would say I shouldn't have raised this one?

      2) With these stacks do you think we have the implied odds? We are very far from the call20 rule here.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      1) So you would say I shouldn't have raised this one?

      Nah, on those stakes it's still fine but if you have assumptions that you will face a lot of 3bets which you wont be able to Call then you can as well just fold it.

      2) With these stacks do you think we have the implied odds? We are very far from the call20 rule here.

      For 3bet pot we use Call15. We get ~14,7:1.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      For 3bet pot we use Call15. We get ~14,7:1.


      Is it because our opponent's 3bet range is usually tight and we get their stacks when we hit very often?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      For 3bet pot we use Call15. We get ~14,7:1.


      Is it because our opponent's 3bet range is usually tight and we get their stacks when we hit very often?
      Yep, exactly. Usually they 3betting range will be strong.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Thanks!