NL2 is so unbeatable :x

    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Hi there. I'm 22 years old, I'm from a small town in Russia called Almetyevsk. I started playing poker online in October 2011 blablabla.

      Overall profits graph (2011.10.17 - 2012.03.02):

      2011 October (-$2.43 :f_mad: ):
      Got my $50 from pokerstrategy to partypoker and started learning on playmoney tables + trying some daily freerolls. Placed 19th in one of them and got like $0.30 or something, was very proud of myself :f_p:
      Then on the 17th of October I switched to cash games, started from NL2 FR SSS with 30bb on Partypoker. 1-2 tables. Preflop allins with AJo vs 2% 3bets :facepalm:




      2011 November (+$10.35 :f_p: ):
      Played my 1st 10k hands in online poker and moved to FL0.02/0.04 FR.




      2011 December (-$3.53 :rage: ):
      I did like FL, but the game was not as popular as NL, which is sad. So I would have to leave it at some point anyway. So after 20k hands I moved back to NL2 FR and tried MSS strategy.




      2012 January (+$27.25 :pokerface: ):
      Couldn't play much in the beginning of the year because of the holidays but still managed to accumulate 70 hours of play. Ended the month with 11evbb/100 winrate over almost 12k hands :s_cool: Played only MSS for the whole month.





      BR by the end of the month: $81.99
      2012 February (+$18.10 :pokerface: ):
      blablabla
      Giraffe:

      Sessions:
      [img]http://i018.radikal.ru/1203/d3/a424ecfa9690.png[/IMG]
      Other stats by stakes:
      BR: $100.09
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    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      The mss charts including the post flop are only guidelines to help get you started, you have to build your game from this point, its not written in stone, try Gerv's coaching on sunday, he takes it to many levels above the shc and post flop charts.

      If you know a players range and tendencies then you can exploit him too :)
      If he expects you to always fold then maybe you should push :D
      Watch gerv and see how he takes notes and uses them to his advantage.

      Hope this helps :)

      Roo
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      roopopper, I attended 1 of his MSS coachings once. What can I say - his play differs A LOT from the original MSS beginner charts. And + somehow he manages to find all those fishy tables with loose 42/20 stats (table stats, not 1 opponent stats) in partypoker. All I see in nl2 is 9/5, 12/8, etc. 25/15 table for me is like "OMG WOW FINALLY I FOUND SO LOOSE TABLE, WILL PLAY HERE TILL I FALL ASLEEP ON THE KEYBOARD" :f_thumbsup:

      I also see that my redline (hm1) is always higher than the blue one. The blue line doesn't know what to do, so it just does whatever it wants:

      But Gerv in the end of his coaching said that MSS profit comes from the blue line and redline is somewhere near zero. Or maybe not, but at least that's what I understood from his words.
    • roopopper
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      roopopper, I attended 1 of his MSS coachings once. What can I say - his play differs A LOT from the original MSS beginner charts. And + somehow he manages to find all those fishy tables with loose 42/20 stats (table stats, not 1 opponent stats) in partypoker. All I see in nl2 is 9/5, 12/8, etc. 25/15 table for me is like "OMG WOW FINALLY I FOUND SO LOOSE TABLE, WILL PLAY HERE TILL I FALL ASLEEP ON THE KEYBOARD" :f_thumbsup:

      I also see that my redline (hm1) is always higher than the blue one. The blue line doesn't know what to do, so it just does whatever it wants:

      But Gerv in the end of his coaching said that MSS profit comes from the blue line and redline is somewhere near zero. Or maybe not, but at least that's what I understood from his words.
      lol I assure you there are many fishy players at nl2 party (i play there :f_biggrin: )

      Its all plus EV :)

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
      SB ($3.45)
      Hero ($0.45)
      UTG ($2.43)
      UTG+1 ($4.52)
      UTG+2 ($0.67)
      CO ($1.98)
      BTN ($2.17)

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: K:club:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.18, SB raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.27 (AI)

      FLOP ($0.90) J:spade: 7:heart: 9:spade:

      TURN ($0.90) J:spade: 7:heart: 9:spade: 2:heart:

      RIVER ($0.90) J:spade: 7:heart: 9:spade: 2:heart: Q:spade:

      SB shows J:heart: 9:diamond:
      (Pre 36%, Flop 94.2%, Turn 100.0%)

      Hero shows A:heart: K:club:
      (Pre 64%, Flop 5.8%, Turn 0.0%)

      SB wins $0.86

      watching one coaching session? cmon dude!!! try a few more and chat to Gerv :D
    • Gerv
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      I advise you to just improve your play instead of focusing on blue/red lines ;)

      it mostly means you want to force yourself in fixing something in an unorthodox and possible a marginalEV way

      - Gerv
    • slipkn6t
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      After playing 1-6 tables without table selecting I recently switched to only 1-2 tables with very careful table selecting. Only played in position to crazy guys with VPIP 60+. And what do you think was the result?
      53 EV bb/100 in avg for all 3 sessions. Yes, fifty three EV big blinds per 100 hands!
      Session stats:

      Other stats:

      And the graph (click the image):

      Of course a huge part of the winrate is obviously an upstrick, but anyway I'm so proud :s_cool:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      After playing 1-6 tables without table selecting I recently switched to only 1-2 tables with very careful table selecting. Only played in position to crazy guys with VPIP 60+. And what do you think was the result?
      53 EV bb/100 in avg for all 3 sessions. Yes, fifty three EV big blinds per 100 hands!
      Session stats:

      Other stats:

      And the graph (click the image):

      Of course a huge part of the winrate is obviously an upstrick, but anyway I'm so proud :s_cool:

      :D guess you found those fishes :f_biggrin:
    • roopopper
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      Here is my graph for mss this month, have not played many hands but ev is going up and up, just wish my winnings would lol :f_biggrin:

    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      And yet somehow I managed to lose 1/6 of my entire bankroll in the last 4 hours (700 hands) :f_mad:
      Played ~4 tables + was completely ignoring the chart + was 3betting 1% PFR guys with AK/QQ :facepalm: Of course they won't fold their AA/KK.
      The graph + session stats (click the preview image):

      Other stats:


      -38 EV bb/100 :rage:

      PS: I see some of of my threads are turning into a blog, so I think "why not start one and blog there?" Some moderator, hi, can you please transfer this topic for me to blogs section? It's here.
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      yeah blog would be great :)
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      +4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
      Are you kidding me :f_eek:
      Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100 :rage:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t



      +4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
      Are you kidding me :f_eek:
      Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100 :rage:
      lol glad to see your new blog. Dont worry about it, Just make sure your red line dont go down to meet the green line :D

      You can change your blog name by editing the title from the first post you made :s_cool:
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Originally posted by roopopper
      Originally posted by slipkn6t



      +4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
      Are you kidding me :f_eek:
      Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100 :rage:
      lol glad to see your new blog. Dont worry about it, Just make sure your red line dont go down to meet the green line :D

      You can change your blog name by editing the title from the first post you made :s_cool:
      :D
      yeah, I know, thanks! Going to work on it later. I'm currently sitting in position to a guy with 50VPIP/20PFR :coolface:
    • Jimanyjerk
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      MSSers UNITE!

      Hey man just found your blog, definitely need to make a sick title that catches the eyes of the fair maidens of the land.

      Will follow your progress, I'm currently finding MSS pretty nice after 3k hands. Going to need to grind it up some more before I get too crazy about it, but good luck! you wanna discuss the finer points of NL2 MSS let me know :f_biggrin:

      GOOD LUCK!

      Garet
    • slipkn6t
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      I LOVE those guys with 90VPIP :heart:

      You will never guess what he showed at the showdown - pocket fives :s_love:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      I LOVE those guys with 90VPIP :heart:

      You will never guess what he showed at the showdown - pocket fives :s_love:
      May it long continue :D
    • slipkn6t
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      Just played for 2 hours - 623 hands. Got dealt KK 4 times which is of course more than 2.8 "EV Kings". So can I consider myself lucky in this session? Read on.
      1st KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $1.93
      MP3:
      $2.06
      CO:
      $1.74 (VPIP70/PFR22/3bet7.7)
      BU (Hero):
      $0.98
      SB:
      $0.38
      BB:
      $1.92

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.36, 3 folds, CO calls $0.24.

      Flop: ($0.77) 9, 5, 8 (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero raises to $0.62(All-In), CO calls $0.62.
      Final Pot: $2.01.
      ...
      Hero shows K K :s_thumbsup:
      CO shows T Q :facepalm:
      2nd KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $0.67
      BU:
      $3.58
      SB:
      $1.72
      BB:
      $0.74 (54/27/0)
      MP1 (Hero):
      $0.81
      MP2:
      $3.65 (17/13/8.3)
      MP3:
      $2.01


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP2 raises to $0.18, 4 folds, BB calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.81, MP2 raises to $3.65, BB calls $0.56.
      Final Pot: $5.21.
      ...
      MP2 shows A A :s_biggrin:
      BB shows A Q :f_o:
      Hero shows K, K :rage:
      3rd KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $2.25
      BB:
      $2.00
      UTG1:
      $0.90
      UTG2:
      $0.62
      MP1:
      $3.23
      MP2:
      $1.08 (19/19/0)
      MP3 (Hero):
      $1.57
      CO:
      $1.05 (67/8/0)
      BU:
      $5.34


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K.
      UTG1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, CO calls $0.32, 4 folds, MP2 raises to $1.08, Hero raises to $1.57, CO calls $0.73(All-In).
      Final Pot: $3.75.
      ...
      MP2 shows A A :s_evil:
      CO shows Q J :f_p:
      Hero shows K K :rage:
      4th KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $2.10
      BU:
      $6.18 (38/4/0)
      SB (Hero):
      $1.03
      BB:
      $2.23
      MP2:
      $2.00
      MP3:
      $2.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
      3 folds, BU calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, BU raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $1.04, BU calls $0.75.
      Final Pot: $2.08.
      ...
      BU shows A A :coolface:
      Hero shows K K :rage:
      How am I supposed to play +EV poker when they deal 75% of my kings into Aces? :rage:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      Just played for 2 hours - 623 hands. Got dealt KK 4 times which is of course more than 2.8 "EV Kings". So can I consider myself lucky in this session? Read on.
      1st KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $1.93
      MP3:
      $2.06
      CO:
      $1.74 (VPIP70/PFR22/3bet7.7)
      BU (Hero):
      $0.98
      SB:
      $0.38
      BB:
      $1.92

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.36, 3 folds, CO calls $0.24.

      Flop: ($0.77) 9, 5, 8 (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero raises to $0.62(All-In), CO calls $0.62.
      Final Pot: $2.01.
      ...
      Hero shows K K :s_thumbsup:
      CO shows T Q :facepalm:
      2nd KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $0.67
      BU:
      $3.58
      SB:
      $1.72
      BB:
      $0.74 (54/27/0)
      MP1 (Hero):
      $0.81
      MP2:
      $3.65 (17/13/8.3)
      MP3:
      $2.01


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
      Hero raises to $0.06, MP2 raises to $0.18, 4 folds, BB calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.81, MP2 raises to $3.65, BB calls $0.56.
      Final Pot: $5.21.
      ...
      MP2 shows A A :s_biggrin:
      BB shows A Q :f_o:
      Hero shows K, K :rage:
      3rd KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $2.25
      BB:
      $2.00
      UTG1:
      $0.90
      UTG2:
      $0.62
      MP1:
      $3.23
      MP2:
      $1.08 (19/19/0)
      MP3 (Hero):
      $1.57
      CO:
      $1.05 (67/8/0)
      BU:
      $5.34


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K.
      UTG1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, CO calls $0.32, 4 folds, MP2 raises to $1.08, Hero raises to $1.57, CO calls $0.73(All-In).
      Final Pot: $3.75.
      ...
      MP2 shows A A :s_evil:
      CO shows Q J :f_p:
      Hero shows K K :rage:
      4th KK:
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $2.10
      BU:
      $6.18 (38/4/0)
      SB (Hero):
      $1.03
      BB:
      $2.23
      MP2:
      $2.00
      MP3:
      $2.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
      3 folds, BU calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, BU raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $1.04, BU calls $0.75.
      Final Pot: $2.08.
      ...
      BU shows A A :coolface:
      Hero shows K K :rage:
      How am I supposed to play +EV poker when they deal 75% of my kings into Aces? :rage:
      Probably wont help me saying this...... but the chances of KK running into AA is fairly slim :f_biggrin:
    • slipkn6t
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      Another +EV session and 1/20 of the BR is gone :rage:




    • roopopper
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      happy new year sl2pkn4t :D