[NL20-NL50] [Nl25 Sh]Qq

    • RandomGenerator
      RandomGenerator
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      Joined: 27.11.2010 Posts: 4,337
      Villain has played 67/33 for 10 hands, didn't 3bet yet.
      Is it better to actually fold queens in this spot? I mean preflop.

      We don't get enough odds to setmine and his 3betting size doesn't looks like he has AK.

      He might definetely have some trash like A8 in his range, but we don't have the information that he 3bets these hands. So we rarely getting paid postflop, on the other hand, on the low board we will payoff to KK+.

      So maybe folding is better?


      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (UTG): $25 (100 bb)
      MP: $55.65 (222.6 bb)
      CO: $18.62 (74.5 bb)
      BTN: $25 (100 bb)
      SB: $16.97 (67.9 bb)
      BB: $22.74 (91 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
      Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO raises to $1.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $1

      Flop: ($3.85) 6 6 K (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero folds

      Results: $3.85 pot ($0.19 rake)
      Final Board: 6 6 K
      Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$1.75 net)
      CO mucked and won $3.66 ($1.91 net)
  • 7 replies
    • autheking
      autheking
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      Joined: 16.02.2011 Posts: 131
      hey the villain looks fishy so he could be 3 betting wider that QQ. As a rule against any unknown I am willing to stack off with QQ+ and AK.
    • DeLau
      DeLau
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      Joined: 10.01.2009 Posts: 1,606
      Why would you fold 3d best hand preflop vs unknown? The dilemma is between 4betting and calling. He looks fishy, so I would 4bet.

      On flop I don't know. Reason for folding is that it's hard to continue later. But if we believe he has a relatively wide range preflop, we could call once.
    • RandomGenerator
      RandomGenerator
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      Joined: 27.11.2010 Posts: 4,337
      I don't understand why do you think that if he is fishy then he has wide 3bet range.

      can you explain that?
    • TetraQuark
      TetraQuark
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      Joined: 21.05.2008 Posts: 1,520
      10 hands is no sample but even after 10 hands that he played he is playing 67/33 and is not fully stacked. My initial assumption is that he is a whale.

      Therefor 4bet - go broke always.

      As played call flop bet if you assume he would bet worse. But as we cannot assume nothing cuz of small sample, by folding we make a smaller mistake than by calling.
    • RandomGenerator
      RandomGenerator
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      Gregor86, he is obviously a whale. But still I don't understand the reason why you assume that he has a wide 3betting range.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi,

      67/33 would make moves, that also include 3-betting trashy hands pf (or at least hands that QQ dominate, like JJ/TT, AQ/AJ), so I would prefer 4-betting to 5$ and getting all-in. He would call you with worse hands and also might shove with worse hands.

      Postflop I would at least c/c once, since you should be still ahead, if his 3-bet range is reasonable and not only include AK and QQ+

      Best regards,
    • DeLau
      DeLau
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      Joined: 10.01.2009 Posts: 1,606
      Originally posted by RandomGenerator
      I don't understand why do you think that if he is fishy then he has wide 3bet range.

      can you explain that?
      I have seen fish 3bet small w Ax quite a few times. Maybe this fish does it with AK and KK, AA only but vs unknown I believe it is more correct to assume they 3bet a lot wider.