[NL2-NL10] AsKc 23.12

    • UnknownJoseph
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      Pacific Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $20.00
      SB: $11.45
      BB: $27.98
      UTG: $14.68
      UTG+1: $25.01
      MP: $45.95
      Hero (MP+1): $20.00
      LP: $20.78
      CO: $15.88

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has K:club: A:spade:

      UTG calls $0.20, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.70, UTG calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2.80, 3 players) A:heart: 9:spade: 5:spade:
      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.30, BB calls $2.30, UTG raises to $13.78, Hero raises to $19.10, fold

      Turn: ($32.66, 2 players) 2:club:

      River: ($32.66, 2 players) 4:spade:



      Because he is shipping against 2 opps, is it easy fold? or because he is bad player, even not full stack, my decision is correct...
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    • sausage646
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      since you have A :spade: it's less likely him check raising him whit his nutz flush draw.

      my play would be bet/fold.

      99,55,AQs+,A9s,A5s,AQo+,A9o - 58.35%
      AcKs - 41.65%
    • UnknownJoseph
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      according to your equity from pokerstove it looks like that we can't fold it because he need 35% equity to call. So we have perfect equity.

      If we put him on wider range I mean Ax like:
      Board: Ah 9s 5s
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 57.386% 51.02% 06.37% 24243 3027.00 { AsKc }
      Hand 1: 42.614% 36.24% 06.37% 17223 3027.00 { 99, 55, A9s+, A5s, A9o+, A5o }

      why do you want to fold if we have correct equity?
    • sausage646
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      pfr=6 [99+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo] so it's really possible, that he is opening hands like AQ, and almost defiantly AK, if really, he doesn't s seem that aggressive(af=2), to check raise in 2 opponents whit AJ, AT type of hands, depends of his flop call/raise tendencies..

      Range I selected for him could be wrong, and could not consist of AQs, AK hands. [ since of pfr=6]

      Do you have his pfr from UTG?

      So for that I probably would just bet fold.. Imo there is just to many combos that beat us and we can't be sure he is check raising whit AT,AJ hands in 2 opponents...
    • UnknownJoseph
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      never mind... just look at who post dead blind, who isolate and who cold call

      BTW. In this example I didn't mention about equity.
      You posted your calculation about it and probably you don't know what u are talking about. If you post equity to win 57-43 and after than you say that we have to fold it for me it's no use for me.
    • sausage646
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      Originally posted by sausage646
      99,55,AQs+,A9s,A5s,AQo+,A9o - 58.35%
      AcKs - 41.65%
      I just said that this could be his range, but it seems I am wrong and his should be tighter, since we have to exclude AK and probably AQ (since he is open raising those hands pre flop)..

      --> and if so, than we are not getting 35.15% equity we need..

      I am just a player, learning like you =] I make mistakes to :rolleyes:

      AND I AM MAKING GINGERBREAD MF* IT'S HARD you know ?!!?

      :D :D just kidding =] happy x mass ^^
    • UnknownJoseph
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      you're right. it's Christmas Time :D

      but according to equity calculation it's easy call...
      according to action on the flop, x/r against 2 opps probably fold but I'm not sure because he is bad player.
    • veriz
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      Hello BGawli,

      Against that kind of wide VPIP who may easily even have worse Ax hands there in his range then I doubt that I would have played much differently. We most likely getting the 35% equity here. Nice hand!

      Best Regards.
    • sausage646
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      I have question for judge..

      opponent is having 6% pfr ( I don't know what's his pfr from utg, but its very likely that he is just playing his cards, not positions) 486 hand sample

      pokerstrategy equilab say's 6 % = 88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+

      so that's AJo and ATo - which he is not entering pot whit open raise, right? and lover Ax which have us beat (A5s,A9o,A9s) and Ax which are not check raising (A3, A4 and so on..).

      my question:

      Do you think a guy whit af=2(486hand) is check raising in 2 opponents whit ATo , AJo hands, on A59 board?
    • UnknownJoseph
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      I know what you are thinking.
      UTG player as you can see is bad player. So you can't be sure that he OR every time with 4% range. Players like him makes very strange and unpredictables move so probably limp AA, KK from utg is in this action range :) I wouldn't be surprised when he shows AA on the flop.

      According to our calculation we can't fold. For me it was easy call. But what about other circumstances? He plays x/r vs 2opps?? Isn't very strong hand?
    • veriz
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      Originally posted by sausage646
      I have question for judge..

      opponent is having 6% pfr ( I don't know what's his pfr from utg, but its very likely that he is just playing his cards, not positions) 486 hand sample

      pokerstrategy equilab say's 6 % = 88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+

      so that's AJo and ATo - which he is not entering pot whit open raise, right? and lover Ax which have us beat (A5s,A9o,A9s) and Ax which are not check raising (A3, A4 and so on..).

      my question:

      Do you think a guy whit af=2(486hand) is check raising in 2 opponents whit ATo , AJo hands, on A59 board?
      I don't really understand why do you talk even about PFR here if he limped preflop? :f_biggrin:
    • sausage646
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      Answer to this question and I will know all I needed.

      In how many cases(%) opponent is check raising in 2 players whit AF=2 whit hands AJo and ATo on board As 5c 9s ?
    • UnknownJoseph
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      Originally posted by veriz
      I don't rally understand why do you talk even about PFR here if he limped preflop? :f_biggrin:
      let's say our opp opens raise with range: 6%
      it's something like this:



      so when he limps/call his range is much wider: 14% but we have to delete 6% from pfr range and add some other hands which he doesn't open raise but just calls...


      so after the action preflop that he limps/calls he won't have AJs+, AQo+ because this aces raises preflop...

      so how ofter our opp will be shipping against 2opp with A2s-ATs, A7o-AJo with AF:2% on this board?
    • veriz
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      Originally posted by sausage646
      Answer to this question and I will know all I needed.

      In how many cases(%) opponent is check raising in 2 players whit AF=2 whit hands AJo and ATo on board As 5c 9s ?
      You can never-ever assume opponent always raising all Ax hands. Such loose opponents with his stats may easily even limp AK from UTG since they are scared to raise. Also his UTG open-raise will be most likely even tighter, maybe only made hands as strong PPs.

      What should he do then with his Ax hand? Let someone to draw and Check/Call while he is committed anyways? Or how do you see the opponent playing his AX hand? :D
    • sausage646
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      99, 55,A9,A5s,AQ+ is this range ok whit you?
    • veriz
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      Originally posted by sausage646
      99, 55,A9,A5s,AQ+ is this range ok whit you?
      Nope, its' not. For example why do you put A5s but not anything in between A5s-A9s? :D Nor A9s-AQ? And even with your range we are getting the equity. :D
    • sausage646
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by sausage646
      99, 55,A9,A5s,AQ+ is this range ok whit you?
      Nope, its' not. For example why do you put A5s but not anything in between A5s-A9s? :D Nor A9s-AQ? And even with your range we are getting the equity. :D
      Since I don't believe he's check raising A6,A7,A8 and so on...

      I know what I am getting whit my range, a break even call, thanks for pointing out =]
    • sausage646
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      Originally posted by gadget51
      Veriz would always be polite and professional, but the language is spot on...and funny!

      Regards,

      Mal.

      Originally posted by veriz
      And even with your range we are getting the equity. :D
      hopely that ":D " wasnt ment like I took it ;)
    • veriz
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      Well, you are just arguing and giving out even the equities what we still get correct odds and not even break-even but slightly profit. That's why I said :D . Put your range into equilab and see if we get the 35% equity anything over 40+ obviously is already profit for us.

      What do you think he is folding then other Ax hands?