[NL2-NL10] AdKd 23.12

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Pacific Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP+1: $24.60
      LP: $19.25
      CO: $14.17
      BTN: $49.18
      SB: $26.96
      BB: $28.94
      Hero (UTG): $23.40
      UTG+1: $41.38
      MP: $20.00

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has K:diamond: A:diamond:

      Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, LP calls $1.00, fold, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($2.30, 2 players) 5:club: 8:diamond: Q:diamond:
      Hero bets $1.70, LP calls $1.70

      Turn: ($5.70, 2 players) 7:club:
      Hero checks, LP bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

      River: ($11.30, 2 players) 6:heart:
      Hero checks, LP bets $8.47, fold



      First what do you think about this call on the turn? is it ok? we have odds 3-1 so not so bad...

      probably we cant's 2ndBarrel on the turn because 7c isn't great card to do it. So we have to check and depends on opps bet sizing we have to make decision: call or fold...
      what do you think about betting for about $2, in this case we give ourself correct odds to hit our outs 3.85-1 or even for less let's say $1.5... some kind of blocking bet, moreover we decide about amount of money for river card, I hope you understand me.
  • 9 replies
    • Scarynoob44
      Scarynoob44
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      may i ask why do you keep posting 20nl hands into 0,10 max sub-forum ? =S
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      probably because snow is snowing, sun is shining and stars are falling ?( ?( ?(
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      Rather 2nd barrel yourself there vs his calling range which may easily contain even some PPs which float and sometimes maybe even worse draws. We can't really Check/Call it profitable without having good implied odds if he decides to Bet it big and we are OOP.

      Best Regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      • 25.12.2011, 09:47
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by BGawli: 25.12.2011 09:48.
      But problem in the turn card is that 7c is horrible to play 2ndBarrel. You have to admit that it's true. Probably if turn card is K or A best play would be x/c.
      Look at his FtCbetT=0%, not big simple size but it's still 0%

      Moreover he's CC range is 10% so probably contain broadways and PP's I don't know his CC habit so it's hard to say what exactly has but look at this calculation:

      Board: 5c 8d Qd
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 59.022% 58.77% 00.25% 71565 306.00 { QQ-22, AQs-ATs, KJs+, QJs, AQo-ATo, KJo+, QJo }
      Hand 1: 40.978% 40.73% 00.25% 49593 306.00 { AcKc }

      even we are behind even on the flop...
      On the turn after his call on the flop:

      Board: 5c 8d Qd 7c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 72.424% 72.42% 00.00% 1912 0.00 { QQ-77, 55, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }
      Hand 1: 27.576% 27.58% 00.00% 728 0.00 { AcKc }

      so why do you want to 2ndBarrel? I think it would be hard Qx to fold

      probably x/f is the best play but in this situation he bet for about 1/2 pot so I had, not great but also not bad odds to call 3-1.It's not so bad.
      When we bet for about $1.5 we have amazing good odds to hit our outs on the river. I mean that we want to be tricky player. You showed me amazing great weapon by min raise from BTN, CO against players who 3B a lot from blinds...
      So betting for $1.5 is tricky play and on the river we don't have to bet for huge amount because we give ourself great odd to see river card. So if river is K, A or :diamond: bet for about 1/2 pot would be profitable + any hand which contain Q would call...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      so why do you want to 2ndBarrel? I think it would be hard Qx to fold

      Well, it's wrong also to put opponent only Qx here. :D
    • UnknownJoseph
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      • 25.12.2011, 15:02
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by BGawli: 25.12.2011 15:02.
      so what kind of range do you think our opp has? edit: on the turn?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      so what kind of range do you think our opp has? edit: on the turn?
      All kind of PPs/worse pairs/draws/worse FDs/made hands/strong made hands. :)
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      • 26.12.2011, 09:49
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by BGawli: 26.12.2011 09:51.
      so what do you suggest? 2ndBarrel according to which stats?

      edit. I have a little mass with it X(
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      so what do you suggest? 2ndBarrel according to which stats?

      edit. I have a little mass with it X(
      Yes, as I said. Either Check/Fold or just 2nd barrel it. You will rarely get the implied odds even vs such a Bet size here. Since you will never know what kind of outs are clean.