[NL2-NL10] NL4; SH: KQs to cbet or not?

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $5.31 (132.8 bb)
      CO: $5.78 (144.5 bb)
      BTN: $2.19 (54.8 bb)
      SB: $8.28 (207 bb)
      BB: $5.28 (132 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $4 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K Q
      Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.16, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.38) T 7 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $2.03 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Results: $0.86 pot ($0.05 rake)
      Final Board: T 7 4
      BTN mucked and won $0.81 ($0.41 net)
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$0.40 net)

      Opponent's stats:
      VP/PFR/FoldtoCbetFlop/WTSD/hands 61/31/33/19/59

      Is it good to cbet against this opponent on this board?
  • 11 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      No point to CB in first place against such an opponent. Just Check/Fold it.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      1) What is the most important factor that determines it? Is it the foldtoCbet stat?
      2) Would you suggest a check/fold on a dry flop as well?
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      if you don't mind I will try to explain...
      1.
      - we are against very loose player 61/31 so this is bad player so it's not worth to cbet because cbet doesn't work against player like him. Moreover this board perfectly hit his range
      - FtCBet: 33%<== this is next reason why I don't want cbet
      2.
      yeap... against this player we have to hit flop and after that get value for it otherwise I wouldn't cbet...
      but only one kind of flop is on which I would cbet, like Tx 5x Tx
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      1) What is the most important factor that determines it? Is it the foldtoCbet stat?

      Yes, mainly that factor but as well that he is super loose which may be towards that he ain't even folding A high. :D

      2) Would you suggest a check/fold on a dry flop as well?

      If we have some draws ourselves then we might even consider CBetting. But usually against those opponents rather not.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      we are against very loose player 61/31 so this is bad player so it's not worth to cbet because cbet doesn't work against player like him.


      But sometimes if the opponent is loose preflop it doesn't necessarily mean he is loose postflop and since such players miss so often because of their loose range we can look at the situation as a profitable spot to Cbetbluff.

      If that which I just said makes sense then I must ask the following question: which stats tell us that an opponent is loose preflop but tight postflop apart from the Foldtocbet stat?
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      probably WTSD stat...

      BTW our cbet would be ok if you were IP against this player because we have cards which could help us + of course runner runner to straight. CBetting the flop we get 2 free card... turn and river... if turn card is J, we have OESD+ 2OP so we can play xb and see river card... we have a lot of out 4(A)+4(9)+ most of case 3(K) and 3(Q)
      if turn card is A, we can easily 2ndBarrel on scary card, if doesn't work we have still outs to GS+ sometimes K and Q win the pot when we xb river.
      it's the reason why position in poker is so important...
      I hope you understand my point of view
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      I understood it! Thanks a lot for your input!
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Guess you got already your answer. :) But yes, I can confirm that WTSD is most likely the safest way. But usually with such stats will also be really loose.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Is it theoretically possible to see a low WTSD % and a low FoldtoCbet % at the same time with a good sample size? If yes, then what do we make of such an opponent?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Is it theoretically possible to see a low WTSD % and a low FoldtoCbet % at the same time with a good sample size? If yes, then what do we make of such an opponent?
      Well, usually against those opponents we might need to 2barrel more or just Check/Fold directly.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Ok, thanks!