[NL2-NL10] Q8s two pairs

    • Shady9966
      Shady9966
      Global
      Joined: 31.01.2008 Posts: 1,314
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($2.16)
      Hero ($10.55)
      UTG ($6.85)
      CO ($7.44)
      BTN ($4)

      Dealt to Hero 8:diamond: Q:diamond:

      fold, fold, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

      FLOP ($0.30) Q:club: 8:spade: T:spade:

      SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB folds

      TURN ($0.90) Q:club: 8:spade: T:spade: 2:club:

      Hero bets $0.80, BTN raises to $3.60 (AI), Hero calls $2.80

      RIVER ($8.10) Q:club: 8:spade: T:spade: 2:club: 6:club:

      Hero shows 8:diamond: Q:diamond:
      (Pre 60%, Flop 17.9%, Turn 9.1%)

      BTN shows 9:heart: J:club:
      (Pre 40%, Flop 82.1%, Turn 90.9%)

      BTN wins $7.70

      13/8 AF0.5 HANDS 63

      i struggle putting him on range even now , the only hand that makes sens for me is a pair of 22 i deffined a range like this:


      Board: T:spade: 8:spade: Q:club:  2:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     46.13%  46.13%   0.00% { 22, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
      BB     53.87%  53.87%   0.00% { Qd8d }


      but i'm not that sure about it, i think i should fold but not sure
  • 9 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Shady9966,

      Nah, I doubt that against his stack we can get away so easily. Especially when he may have even himself any kind of overpair here even sometimes and of course just Qx hands.

      Best Regards.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Shady9966,

      Nah, I doubt that against his stack we can get away so easily. Especially when he may have even himself any kind of overpair here even sometimes and of course just Qx hands.

      Best Regards.
      over pair, where?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by sausage646
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Shady9966,

      Nah, I doubt that against his stack we can get away so easily. Especially when he may have even himself any kind of overpair here even sometimes and of course just Qx hands.

      Best Regards.
      over pair, where?
      Where what? Sometimes such players may also even trap with KK/AA so I wouldn't exclude all the hands either. Especially such stacks.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      I don't need sometimes, I need how many % times
      this argument "sometimes" is useless, And I assume even you have limped AA sometime. :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused:
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by sausage646
      I don't need sometimes, I need how many % times
      this argument "sometimes" is useless, And I assume even you have limped AA sometime. :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused:
      What's your problem man? Sometimes means that we ain't gonna add all the KK/AA combos but rather maybe add one combo of KK. Trying just to troll or do you have any purpose?
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      I just don't see reason for us to think he is limping AA or KK, yes it's possible but than we should insert 1 combo to every nitty or fishy players range, is that what you are recommending ?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by sausage646
      I just don't see reason for us to think he is limping AA or KK, yes it's possible but than we should insert 1 combo to every nitty or fishy players range, is that what you are recommending ?
      Why do you make such a big ball here from so easy stuff? I just said that "sometimes" we might be even amazed to see such stuff not that you WILL always have to put that into his range.

      Plus, we don't know the opponent at all if he is nitty, we just have 63 hands and that's it. And nitty doesn't mean that he can't play stupid game.

      We are getting the equity there no matter what, so even if we don't add the overpair it's fine to Call. What's your case here?
    • sausage646
      sausage646
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      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      than why are you saying that in first place? To highlight that he may play stupid (only~50hands) and limp "sometimes" whit AA or KK. Any not full stacked is very likely stupid.

      Not the hand concern's me, but after your analyse of hand I started to think I should add AA and KK "some" combos to everyone who could "possible" do that even if its have no clear justification.

      After all I got your answer, so 8,3% when he pick up AA or KK he is limping.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      You are a funny guy. :)