[NL2-NL10] NL4; SH: 66 against shortstacks

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $5.72 (143 bb)
      BTN: $4.03 (100.8 bb)
      Hero (SB): $4 (100 bb)
      BB: $1 (25 bb)
      MP: $1.51 (37.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
      MP calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

      Flop: ($0.36) 2 4 8 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $0.18, MP calls $0.18, Hero folds

      Turn: ($0.72) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, MP bets $0.36, BB folds

      Results: $0.72 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: 2 4 8 3
      BB mucked and lost (-$0.30 net)
      MP mucked and won $0.68 ($0.38 net)

      Preflop is the problem: can we call? Looks close.
  • 7 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      About which are we talking here? About preflop then nope, we can't Call there vs his stack. We are just getting 14,5:1 and for set mining we would need Call20. Not much to fight over anyway.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Doesn't the fact that another player (he is shortstacked though) called the raise change the calculations a bit?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Doesn't the fact that another player (he is shortstacked though) called the raise change the calculations a bit?
      Why should it change the calculation? We are expecting to get money from the very small shorty who has the initiative. Other guy could have there so wide range that you can't ever expect to get paid so often.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Even if we expect both shorties to be relatively loose postflop as well?
      I understand it's a fold, the question is - how close a fold? Is it an easy fold? Or is it marginal at best?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Even if we expect both shorties to be relatively loose postflop as well?
      I understand it's a fold, the question is - how close a fold? Is it an easy fold? Or is it marginal at best?
      It's not good for Call20 rule and that's what you should be following at your first steps not either if it's very close or not. The more confident you get in your play and the more experienced you get then you will understand yourself when you will be able to Call in those spots and when not. What people usually do in those spots is that they just start to overplay their overpair postflop or even Call once vs small bets and which we want to avoid.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      The more confident you get in your play and the more experienced you get then you will understand yourself when you will be able to Call in those spots and when not.


      That's what I am trying to do :) . How do I outgrow the call20 rule? There are probably no articles on that and the method of merely playing and getting more experienced seems rather general and vague. I mean, it could take years!
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, those ain't the best spots where you should be trying to get the few cents from the opponents. :D There are definitely a lot better spots.

      If you can't understand the basic idea of why to Call for set value and why not then most likely it's too early for you to go even to more advanced thinking or level so should be using Call20 rule only. Which will at least give you the idea when you even get the odds and when not which is the main idea of those rules for make you to understand more later on.