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[NL2-NL10] NL10 KK preflop

    • yayasarika
      Joined: 25.09.2010 Posts: 59
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($10.11)
      BB ($10.14)
      UTG ($25.45)
      UTG+1 ($12.66)
      UTG+2 ($10)
      MP1 ($10)
      CO ($3.15)
      BTN ($10)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.30, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.40, BB raises to $2.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.55, BB raises to $10.14 (AI), Hero calls $4.56 (AI)

      FLOP ($20.82) J:club: 3:spade: 4:spade:

      TURN ($20.82) J:club: 3:spade: 4:spade: 5:spade:

      RIVER ($20.82) J:club: 3:spade: 4:spade: 5:spade: 9:heart:

      utg 13/9 4.1k hands
      utg+2 10/4 391 hands
      BB 13/10 3.1k hands. BB 3% 3bet and 0 4bets (29 spots)

      A minraise 4bet seems like a trap (especially consider how tight all the oppenents are in the hand) but I don't have any note of him doing something like this before, so I 5bet/call.
      Should I think about folding or even set mining (considering how small his 4bet is) or just ship it?
  • 3 replies
    • Echoes88
      Joined: 27.09.2008 Posts: 1,665
      :rage: what a bunch of nits :D , its very hard to say waht to do, against original raise you might even consider flat, if there hadnt been a cclaller esp if hes folding a lot to 3bets

      i dont like that min5bet, just shove
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello yayasarika,

      Flatting is anyways out of question here but after you get a 4bet like that then it might be a sign of folding our hand. Especially when the guy has 4bet of 0% and 3bet just 3%. Most likely his 4betting range is towards KK+. :)

      So only question is if we should Call for the set value, although even for that it's rather the case that we ain't getting so great odds. We are getting like 11:1 which is towards to get the odds but we practically have to get his stack every time. Another problem is that people just can't fold postflop. :) So for that given reason I'd fold it preflop, it may be hard but I just don't see him 4betting with worse than KK+.

      Best Regards.
    • yayasarika
      Joined: 25.09.2010 Posts: 59
      @ Echoes

      lol. yeah its ugly.

      @ Veriz

      I agree. min cold 4bet against 3 tight players looks like KK+. Just couldn't get myself to fold KK and leveled myself into thinking that pushing KK preflop is never wrong, but I think this is one of the rare spots were we have to lay it down.

      thanks guys for commenting