Live Poker BRM Question

    • RazDirk
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      Its pretty hard to grind out on Live poker when you don't have a proper BR, I do play online but recently Casino's in my country started up Texas Hold'em Poker and been thinking of grinding there since there is a load of inexperienced players in there with a lot of Money. But I got only like $3000 and the minimum blinds are $2/5.

      So that gives me like a 6 BI for Big Stack,
      and if I am to go MSS i could have 15 BI.

      Would that be a good enough BR for Live poker, as there is a serious amount of calling stations in the tables.
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    • JonikoP
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      My view, having played quite a bit of live poker is that you need less BIs for the game. You will be playing one table at a time, you will have a bigger edge. However, you would be playing underrolled.

      You have to ask yourself whether psychologically you can lose a big chunk of your bankroll and whether you have the means to reload or grind it back up online.

      Live poker is so juicy (I can only imagine how great the games our if casinos have only just started spreading the Texas Holdem) - why not take a 2BI shot to assess the games and see how you get on.
    • RazDirk
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      I did that, and the games are really really easy with only a couple of good players.
      Sat in for $200 and cashed out for $550, they never stop calling no matter how tight I play.

      But day two, I ran into a cooler QQ vs KK and also Flush over Flush
      So lost around about $400. So Im a bit worried in those situations.
    • Akcus
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      2-3 buy-ins all that i need. thats conservative
    • StrategyLofthouse
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      Originally posted by RazDirk
      Its pretty hard to grind out on Live poker when you don't have a proper BR, I do play online but recently Casino's in my country started up Texas Hold'em Poker and been thinking of grinding there since there is a load of unexperienced players in there with a lot of Money. But I got only like $3000 and the minimum blinds are $2/5.

      So that gives me like a 6 BI for Big Stack,
      and if I am to go MSS i could have 15 BI.

      Would that be a good enough BR for Live poker, as there is a serious amount of calling stations in the tables.
      Which country is it ? and are there any cheap flights from the UK :]

      On a serious note I agree with Joniko. You obviously have an edge over your opponents.
      You must play tight and if the local players are inexperienced look for obvious tells such as players becoming overexcited after seeing the flop. If a calling station bets out or raises then run away. New players often play in a way which is easy to read.
    • MathhNes
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      I think MSS works very well live. I'd go for that personally. I wouldnt feel comfortable with less than 10 BI. Actually im much more conservative, but at least i wouldnt recommend having less than 10 if you are serious about it
    • ragney
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      Does most live fish still limps and play passive postflop? If yes I need to switch to live ASAP.
    • MJPerry
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      Originally posted by MathhNes
      I think MSS works very well live. I'd go for that personally. I wouldnt feel comfortable with less than 10 BI. Actually im much more conservative, but at least i wouldnt recommend having less than 10 if you are serious about it
      I feel like if you play with 40BBs or so you'll wind up getting it in with top pair OTF in a multi-way pot a lot, which is good or bad depending on how willing you are to lose money.
    • JonikoP
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      I feel like if you play with 40BBs or so you'll wind up getting it in with top pair OTF in a multi-way pot a lot, which is good or bad depending on how willing you are to lose money.


      +1 - you will be giving up a lot of your edge post-flop if you play with a 40BB stack.
    • MathhNes
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      A big part of the edge in FR live games comes from playing a solid style preflop. By playing SSS/MSS you can really exploit peoples 40% VPIP and limp/calling tendencies.
    • Heave112
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      mss wont work since no skill involved compared to BSS, the deeper you are the more skill there is.
    • RazDirk
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      yeah, well i guess 40BB is pretty hard to protect your hand, coz the table is full of calling station, and once i make a standard raise, there is atleast 4 or 5 calls & the pot is pretty big. It gets me pot committed :\

      So what do i do? If i go 100BB I will only have 6 BI, isn't that a bit of a risk?

      and btw the country is Sri Lanka lol :D
    • MJPerry
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      Originally posted by RazDirk
      yeah, well i guess 40BB is pretty hard to protect your hand, coz the table is full of calling station, and once i make a standard raise, there is atleast 4 or 5 calls & the pot is pretty big. It gets me pot committed :\

      So what do i do? If i go 100BB I will only have 6 BI, isn't that a bit of a risk?

      and btw the country is Sri Lanka lol :D
      From what little I've played of live poker, you would have to get pretty unlucky to lose 6BI playing well.

      However, it can obviously happen. It's really up to you - are you willing to lose the money?
    • RazDirk
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      From what little I've played of live poker, you would have to get pretty unlucky to lose 6BI playing well.

      However, it can obviously happen. It's really up to you - are you willing to lose the money?
      I guess not, I mean its gonna sort of hurt me if i lose it and if fulltilt doesn't come back :\
    • MathhNes
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      Originally posted by Heave112
      mss wont work since no skill involved compared to BSS, the deeper you are the more skill there is.
      That's a ridiculous statement imo

      yeah, well i guess 40BB is pretty hard to protect your hand, coz the table is full of calling station, and once i make a standard raise, there is atleast 4 or 5 calls & the pot is pretty big. It gets me pot committed :\


      You open to as big as you can. Possibly 6,7 big blinds. And if there are limpers you make it bigger. And you follow a relatively tight preflop starting hand selection. And they will pay you off. And its not bad to see the flop multiway esp. when you are only 40bb deep since you can go with your top pairs.
    • conall88
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      Originally posted by Heave112
      mss wont work since no skill involved compared to BSS, the deeper you are the more skill there is.
      fail.


      What you mean to say is, preflop mistakes compound postflop.

      If you have an equity advantage , your profit is limited by effective stack depth...


      regarding live games.
      Part of the reason MSS is good is because when you go all in, you can force bigger stacks to fold, as they are put in a spot where they often have to iso shove to continue in the hand , since there are other 100bb stacks ahead to act.

      Relying on fold equity in live games is probably -EV unless you are playing vs good regs.

      rather than buyin for 40bb, maybe try 75bb. Its not a complete buyin, however it makes it easier for you to get your stack in by the river, and your stack is big enough to have some kind of fold equity vs draws, while being significant enough to win big enough pots to combat the drain of the blinds.

      I suppose you have to ask the question:
      - How risk averse are you?
      - How much are you willing to reduce your winrate to avoid risk?

      Personally I think the best thing you can do, is clearly play deep against bad players.

      Your bankroll isn't the money you have right now. It is your lifetime $ you are willing to spend on poker. If you can reload, then the amount of buyins you have right now doesn't matter so much.

      If you lose the $3000, what does it mean for you?