[NL2-NL10] AQo 10.01 -3BI session

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      Pacific Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG+1: $20.43
      MP: $36.95
      MP+1: $34.65
      CO: $52.52
      BTN: $20.06
      SB: $13.39
      Hero (BB): $20.00
      UTG: $26.14

      SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has A:heart: Q:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, CO calls $1.60, fold

      Flop: ($4.50, 2 players) 9:spade: A:club: 7:spade:
      Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3.00

      Turn: ($10.50, 2 players) 5:club:
      Hero bets $6.00, CO calls $6.00

      River: ($22.50, 2 players) 5:heart:
      Hero checks, CO bets $9.05, Hero calls $9.00



      Preflop: standard situation to squeeze, good hand AQo to do it so easy decision...
      Flop: standard cbet 2/3 pot
      Turn: when opp calls I lost myself in this hand because I have TGGK but not the best... kicker... flush draw is available...
      tell me please what do to on the turn? do I have to protect our hand from flush draw?

      what to do when board would be dry? can we play x/c on the turn?
      what next on the river? can we save our rest of the stack in this situation?
  • 11 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      Against him I'd rather ship myself than river my hand into bluff-catcher vs missed draws. There ain't even that many missed draws, only FD. So if in this case I'd be even Checking then rather Check/Fold, you don't even know if the opponent is capable of betting with missed draws or not. Your line was already strong in 3bet pot and they wont bluff so often vs you.

      Best Regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      I'm just interested in why you want to ship the turn but you don't want to play x/c? where is the difference? In both situation lose money...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      I'm just interested in why you want to ship the turn but you don't want to play x/c? where is the difference? In both situation lose money...
      Was talking about river. :P
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      sorry of course we are talking about the river... a little mistake...
      so where is the difference?

      btw. how would you play this hand?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      sorry of course we are talking about the river... a little mistake...
      so where is the difference?

      btw. how would you play this hand?
      I am either shipping vs weaker Ax hands or just Check/Folding the river. You will rarely see people even going for draws in 3bet pots and especially if the opponent is rather picky and doesn't go to showdown a lot. Only value you get from missed FD and that's it on which we can't even be sure.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      so why do you want to ship? do you see in this range worse Ax?
      what about turn? as you wrote.. you dont see a lot people drawing so maybe I should have given up this hand just on the turn?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      so why do you want to ship? do you see in this range worse Ax?
      what about turn? as you wrote.. you dont see a lot people drawing so maybe I should have given up this hand just on the turn?
      I am betting the turn for free showdown and protection. ;)

      Why do you want to Call the river? :) Same question to you.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      maybe because I'm moron who don't want to be bluffed... it was hard to fold TPGK in 3B pot...

      you showed two lines=>> ship river or x/f and I don't understand difference between it :(
      Because when our opp has busted draw he won't call our ship...
      when we ship... and we have two option lose money or win money
      by x/calling we are able to catch bluffs...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      You wont see bluffs in 3bet pots that often. :) And that's practically the only hope for you right now to see missed draw.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      so it looks like pretty sick spot...
      so x/c is out of question because he will have never seen bluffs in 3B pot...
      so why do you want to ship river?
      because:
      we are pot committed?
      we have to strong hand to play x/f?
      we can get value from worse hands?

      or maybe x/f would be the best play because after two big bets on the flop and river we are in bad shape and probably we are behind...

      sorry for that I'm asking so much question but you know... bad run because of spots like this...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      I didn't say I want to ship the river. :) I said I want to Check/Fold the river myself since I see only value by Check/Calling there vs missed FD, although we don't even know that much the opponent if he is capable of doing that. Most likely he is also Checking even behind with a lot weaker Ax hands.

      But meanwhile if we consider him having such a range as missed FD or even Ax hands then rather just ship yourself and gain value from Ax hands.