Did I get too eager?

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,901
      This seems to happen with alarming frequency lately.
      In 65 hands (in 10000) where I end up with a boat, I have lost 7 of them and 2 of those in the last 3 days, and the other 5 in December.

      Just as a reality check, did I play the following poorly? I don't see how, considering how many flushes villain could check/raise with.

      Of the 6 hands where I have WON with a full house, it was only twice over another full house, so I still think my play is reasonable. In fact I think with this hand it is idiotic NOT to cap it.

      I try to take the attitude, "it must happen to me, 'cuz I do it to them".
      Doesn't always work...

      v1.27Converted by the cows of Feral Cow Poker
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 5 players

      SB: $1.74
      BB: $100.49
      UTG: $4.73 (Hero)
      CO: $3.34
      Button: $1.23

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) :7s: :Kc: :Ks: :Tc: :7c: (5 players)
      Hero raises to $0.20, [i]3 folds[/i], BB calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.45) (2 players)
      BB discards 1, Hero discards 1,
      :7s: :Kc: :Ks: :7c: || :7h:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $0.60, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.20

      BB showed :Qs: :Qd: :Ac: :Qc: :Ah: , a full house, Queens full of Aces
      Hero mucked
      BB won $1.95
      (Rake: $0.10)
  • 4 replies
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      No brainer.
    • totte1992
      totte1992
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      Joined: 23.09.2010 Posts: 444
      Cant see anything wrong with your play. With only a Call pre draw from your opponent and the fact that he draws 1, it looks like he has a draw( flush of straight) or possibly 2 small pairs. In all of those cases you have the best hand with your full house. So its nothing to do about that. It was your opponent that played it badly.

      Thats what i think atleast :)
    • Huricano
      Huricano
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      Joined: 29.08.2010 Posts: 2,228
      [quote]Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      This seems to happen with alarming frequency lately.
      In 65 hands (in 10000) where I end up with a boat, I have lost 7 of them and 2 of those in the last 3 days, and the other 5 in December.

      Just as a reality check, did I play the following poorly? I don't see how, considering how many flushes villain could check/raise with.

      Of the 6 hands where I have WON with a full house, it was only twice over another full house, so I still think my play is reasonable. In fact I think with this hand it is idiotic NOT to cap it.

      I try to take the attitude, "it must happen to me, 'cuz I do it to them".
      Doesn't always work...

      v1.27Converted by the cows of Feral Cow Poker
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 5 players

      SB: $1.74
      BB: $100.49
      UTG: $4.73 (Hero)
      CO: $3.34
      Button: $1.23

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) :7s: :Kc: :Ks: :Tc: :7c: (5 players)
      Hero raises to $0.20, [i]3 folds[/i], BB calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.45) (2 players)
      BB discards 1, Hero discards 1,
      :7s: :Kc: :Ks: :7c: || :7h:
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $0.60, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.20

      BB showed :Qs: :Qd: :Ac: :Qc: :Ah: , a full house, Queens full of Aces
      Hero mucked
      BB won $1.95
      (Rake: $0.10)[/quote]Ez 3bet even with 22233
      There are about 123k combo of 2pair and 111k combo of flushdraws without card removal effect* (add straightdraw and u even better!)
      2pair --> full house = 8%
      flushdraw = 19%

      So if he c/r only flush+ u beat 0,19*111/(0,19*111+0,08*123)*100%=68% of his range! (with 22233 ! - with 777KK u beat also some other FH)
      3bet all fking day

      Please notice that if u want to 3bet and call a cap u need 66%+ equity not 50% (common mistake)
      * If u want to use CRE on this hand It's "by your side" (eng suck - sorry). Your hand has 2 suit (club and spade) so there is more chance that he has flushdraw rather than 2pair which many of them you're blocking of having two pairs yourself...so there is more chance that he complete flush not FH.

      You may also use reads/notes on player if u have something.
      One extremum is when player 3bet all 2pair against you in this spot, so he has draw almost 100% of the time.
      Other extremum is when opp is TAG/nit and don't play flushdraw vs HU raise on BB (mostly is a mistake unless u have decent chance to win by pairing up on high cards). In this situation 3bet will be a mistake.
    • Heave112
      Heave112
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      Joined: 27.03.2009 Posts: 456
      no u didn;t it was an easy shove u would win this in the long run... bad luck thats variance.