[NL20-NL50] NL 50 (FR) A9s

    • Roya1flush
      Roya1flush
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      Ongame Network No-Limit , $0.50 BB (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

      saw flop|saw showdown

      BB ($18.75)
      UTG ($51.60)
      Hero ($49.25)
      UTG+2 ($47.50)
      MP1 ($9.25)
      MP2 ($12.45)
      MP3 ($19.25)
      CO ($87.75)
      Button ($52.25)
      SB ($45.80)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9, A.
      1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 bets $2.5, MP3 calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.

      Flop: ($10.75) Q, 7, T (4 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $4, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4, MP2 folds.

      Turn: ($22.75) 4 (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 bets $10, CO folds, Hero raises to $20, MP3 calls $2.75 (All-In).

      River: ($55.50) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $55.50

      Ill be honest with you guys, the reason why i limped was to see if i could see a cheap flop.. once the raise was called by few people i decided to also call..

      Was it ok to call the flop bet? and check the turn?
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    • aciddrop
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      Sometimes, if the table is loose passive, and you can expect a lot of limpers to follow, limping in a few marginal hands from EP to mix up your play is ok. You get forced into investing more than you want here, but for 4.5:1, you have to go on with it. This preflop action is a good reason not to make this play.

      Post flop, no problem, you have the odds to call the draw, if you want to be a bully, c/r on the flop as a semi bluff. I would check the turn too, and easily get all your money in.
    • Roya1flush
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      Yea the table was a bit loose and passive, i thought i could see a cheap flop if i limped in, once it was raised and got called i thought about it for a while and called..

      I know the chances of hitting a flush on the flop is slim, but the board gave me the nut flush draw and the odds were good to call the one bet..

      Question..

      If the turn did not bring a club, what would be my best move? check/call or Check fold?
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      c/c or c/f depending on pot odds.

      which is why i prefer the c/r on the flop, get the money in while you have a good chance to hit your nut flushdraw, with some fold equity
    • xylere
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      c/r flop with a draw is a little bit too much for NL 50 4way, imo. Especially, without reads. It makes sense to c/r in 3way, when there is agressive guy last to act and he will likely throw a wide range position bet.
    • Roya1flush
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      i normally dont like chasing draws as i almost always miss it, which is why i thought calling the bet on the flop was ok and then evaluate the turn card, once the 3rd club came i was not going to fold my hand as the only hand which would beats me is a full house and if thats the case then its bad luck..
    • aciddrop
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      I think in this case, with MP3 being short, and MP2 also short, you have a good chance to take it down here. Either that, or MP3 calls and you have more than the 35% you need, and if MP2 pushes his little bit, even better.

      C/R to 20-22 here, and CO has a difficult decison to make, and he is the only worry. Whatever he does, I think this is +ev.
    • Roya1flush
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      ok cool.. i understand what you guys are saying.. but if i c/r i would have to make it around $14-$16 and if i miss the flush would that not make me commited to the hand and no matter what happens would have to push the turn?

      C/R of $14-$16 will leave me with around £30 with the pot being around $40 so i would have to go all in on the turn no matter what happens..
    • chenny8888
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      oof xylere.. you're right, c/r is a bit overplayed 4-way (i thought it was 3-way :( )

      nh then.
    • aciddrop
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      When it is your turn to bet the flop, the pot is $18.75, which equates to 37BB, which is substantial. MP2 has only $9.95 left, MP3 has only $12.75 left, and CO is a big stack.

      If you C/R here, you would bet around $20 to $22 dollars. A few things can happen.

      1. Everyone folds, and you take down the pot. That's a win.

      2. We know MP2 folded, but assume he pushes his remaining money in, and MP3 also pushes his money, and CO folds. Now, the pot is $18.75 + $9.95 + $12.75 + our $16.75., (equivalent to what MP3 had left) so pot is now $58.20. Our contribution is 28.7%, and we have 35% equity, which is how often we will make our flush by the river. Easy win.

      3. MP2 folds, and MP3 calls. Pot $48.25, our contribution 34.7%, a win. Also, it is possible, since MP2 was preflop aggressor, and he dips out, that MP3 is on a flush draw as well, and we can beat him with Ace high, or that we have overcard outs. Unlikely, but possible.

      4. Add CO into any of these, either pushing behind us or calling, and our equity is just as good or even better. We bet $22, leaving us with $24.75 behind. CO calls. Pot is now $85.45, our contribution only 25.7%, which means we can shove any turn, easy win.

      5. As above. CO raises. We commit the remaining stack. Pot $147.7, our contribution 31.6%. A win.

      So it would seem that we can definitely play this way. We also have an extra 1.5 outs on the flop for a BD straight, plus fold equity, so you couldn't lose here. But calling flop, assessing turn on odds and outs was also ok, and may have been better.

      That's assuming that my math is correct here. :D
    • Kaitz20
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      I like fold pf. You don´t hit your flush so often that it makes profitable to limp/call.
      FLop and turn are fine.