[NL2-NL10] Trips Q Kicker

    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Gold
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      $0.03/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

      MP3: $1.79 (35.8 bb)
      CO: $4.82 (96.4 bb)
      BTN: $5.19 (103.8 bb)
      SB: $4.80 (96 bb)
      Hero (BB): $5.49 (109.8 bb)
      UTG+1: $6.74 (134.8 bb) 23/9/1.4/5.6/429
      UTG+2: $2.66 (53.2 bb)
      MP1: $2.40 (48 bb)
      MP2: $5.78 (115.6 bb) 51/5/1.5/3.6/82

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 2
      UTG+1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, MP3 calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.23) 9 2 2 (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $1.74 and is all-in, Hero raises to $5.44 and is all-in, UTG+1 folds

      Turn: ($3.91) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($3.91) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: $3.91 pot ($0.26 rake)
      Final Board: 9 2 2 T 7
      MP3 showed 9 9 and won $3.65 ($1.86 net)
      Hero showed Q 2 and lost (-$1.79 net)
      UTG+1 mucked and lost (-$0.25 net)
      MP2 mucked and lost (-$0.05 net)
  • 2 replies
    • MrMauve
      MrMauve
      Bronze
      Joined: 23.04.2008 Posts: 18
      Unlucky, I think. Disclaimer - this response is part of my beginners course homework.

      I think the flop bet is basically fine as you have 3 opponents, you may well be up against 2 hearts, a nine, or a small pocket pair, and you want to protect against the former and get cash from the latter.

      At the point where MP3 is all in, it's $1.54 to you and the pot's $2.14, so you need about 42% equity to call. You're obviously waaaay behind nines or a better deuce (realistically I think only A2 calls - maybe K2s, but there's only 1 of those, Kc2c). The important point is that these hands are incredibly rare - there's only 3 nines and 1 deuce left in the deck, so I believe there's only 3 ways of getting 99, and 4 ways of getting Ax2c (one for each suit of ace).

      Basically, if you can imagine any hand which you beat shoving this flop, then you're fine. For example, if you can think of even a single pocket pair which limps preflop and shoves this flop, you're almost even money:


      Board: 9:heart: 2:heart: 2:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     51.42%  48.86%   2.56% { 99-88, A2s, A2o }
      BB     48.58%  46.01%   2.56% { Qd2d }


      Or perhaps a lowish suited ace?


      Board: 9:heart: 2:heart: 2:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     56.06%  53.60%   2.46% { 99, A2s, AhTh, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, A2o }
      BB     43.94%  41.49%   2.46% { Qd2d }


      Would he try this with A9?


      Board: 9:heart: 2:heart: 2:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     38.18%  36.43%   1.75% { 99, A9s, A2s, A9o, A2o }
      BB     61.82%  60.06%   1.75% { Qd2d }


      He might. He's a short stack remember, and shoving is kind of his thing.

      If you can imagine any of the above, then the combinatorics of the situation make a call mandatory, I think. If you can imagine all of them, then you're a big favourite. And if you can't... why on Earth did you call?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello maheepsangari,

      Well, against his stack of course it ain't a huge mistake to go broke. But why do you shove? Do you really think the other UTG1 is capable of calling with worse hands there ever? :)

      Best Regards.