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Please check my line on these

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      First hand:
      Milked from the teat of a feral cow
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      CO: $3.59
      Button: $3.15 (Hero)
      SB: $5.43
      BB: $5.62
      UTG: $4.49
      UTG+1: $2.02

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) 6:heart: A:diamond: K:heart: T:spade: A:club: (6 players)
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, Hero ???

      So what do the masters do here?
      I don't more than about 30 hands on this guy, but at the time of this raise, he was 20/4



      , SB folds, BB calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.45) (2 players)
      BB stands, CO discards 1, BB bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

      CO mucked
      BB showed Q:spade: 9:spade: 9:club: Q:diamond: Q:heart: , a full house, Queens full of Nines
      BB won $0.81
      (Rake: $0.04)



      Second hand:
      Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      CO: $3.23
      Button: $5.20 (Hero)
      SB: $3.52
      BB: $6.93
      UTG: $4.91
      UTG+1: $1.26

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) A:spade: K:spade: 3:spade: A:diamond: 9:club: (6 players)
      UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero ???

      Raise? Overlimp?
      Very few hands on opponent again. Without the limp I would always here, but during my 3000 hand good run, I wasn't raising anything less than 2pr.




      , SB calls $0.05, BB checks

      First Draw: ($0.30) (3 players)
      SB discards 3, BB discards 4, UTG+1 discards 3, SB bets $0.20, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.20

      SB showed J:spade: 6:heart: 6:club: J:diamond: 5:spade: , two pair, Jacks and Sixes
      UTG+1 mucked
      SB won $0.67
      (Rake: $0.03)


      Thanks in advance...
  • 9 replies
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      No master, but here's my thoughts.

      Hand 1: My default would be to 3bet here against an unknown because you're ahead of his range. If he calls and discards one I would consider snowing. If he's really playing 20/4 it's an easy fold.

      Hand 2: Easy raise. If he calls, fold if he bets post draw however many he discards, otherwise check behind if you don't improve. If he limp/raises, I would seriously consider folding as it's usually a pat monster trying to get action, but you do get very good odds to call.
    • Huricano
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      At 0.1/0.2 first hand is auto-fold against unknown.

      People are limping with nothing, calling with nothing but when they raise It's usually a monster unless someone is a total maniac or "Holdem player (cap KK/AA :D )".

      Calling will be ok against QQ+ range, vs JJ+ it might be a marginal (very marginal!) 3bet because even if behind you have chance to outdraw opponent (unless you stand pat and give up so much equity like JB :s_evil: )

      Second normall raise...KK should be enough against most limpers that are sometimes traping or limping with weak 2 pair, but if he limps ~50% you can start with JJA+ on BU.
    • jbpatzer
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      Originally posted by Huricano
      Calling will be ok against QQ+ range,
      I try not to call much at FL. If I'm ahead, I want more money in, if not, why would I put any money in at all given how static hand values are?


      vs JJ+ it might be a marginal (very marginal!) 3bet because even if behind you have chance to outdraw opponent (unless you stand pat and give up so much equity like JB :s_evil: )
      I said 'consider'. Deception + position > equity (sometimes, and not to be overdone imo).
    • Huricano
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      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Originally posted by Huricano
      Calling will be ok against QQ+ range,
      I try not to call much at FL. If I'm ahead, I want more money in, if not, why would I put any money in at all given how static hand values are?

      Funny thing because I was thinking in exactly the same way.
      Why call? If I'm ahead - 3bet, if behind - fold.
      I even open a thread on 2+2 with this question and some smart guy wrote:
      "Pot odds say you can call as a slide underdog..."
      Simple!

      You're puting 0.2 to 0.35+0.2 pot = ~36% eq and that's why call>3bet.
    • jenoc
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      First hand- considering stakes + fact that you hold one K (lessens the chance he's holding KK significantly) + small sample I would fold. IMO at 0.1/0.2 there are a lot of other spots where to make money.

      Second hand - you have to raise limper and make him pay for all the crap.
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Originally posted by Huricano
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Originally posted by Huricano
      Calling will be ok against QQ+ range,
      I try not to call much at FL. If I'm ahead, I want more money in, if not, why would I put any money in at all given how static hand values are?

      Funny thing because I was thinking in exactly the same way.
      Why call? If I'm ahead - 3bet, if behind - fold.
      I even open a thread on 2+2 with this question and some smart guy wrote:
      "Pot odds say you can call as a slide underdog..."
      Simple!

      You're puting 0.2 to 0.35+0.2 pot = ~36% eq and that's why call>3bet.
      Seems reasonable.

      Originally posted by jenoc
      First hand- considering stakes + fact that you hold one K (lessens the chance he's holding KK significantly) + small sample I would fold. IMO at 0.1/0.2 there are a lot of other spots where to make money.

      Second hand - you have to raise limper and make him pay for all the crap.
      This is a good point, but I suppose does suggest a call like Hurricano said.

      And btw, I'm probably going to be playing some FL 5CD again to try to rebuild my battered BR. :f_cool:
    • Huricano
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      They don't respect Yours cbet on NL50? :D

      EDIT:
      Yea, good point about holding K.
      I call this: "reversed kickerology" :D

      If you open raise you definetlly want to have QQAK3 rather than QQ432,
      but if someone open raise and his range is JJ+ AA654 >>> AAKQJ
    • jbpatzer
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      Originally posted by Huricano
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Originally posted by Huricano
      Calling will be ok against QQ+ range,
      I try not to call much at FL. If I'm ahead, I want more money in, if not, why would I put any money in at all given how static hand values are?

      Funny thing because I was thinking in exactly the same way.
      Why call? If I'm ahead - 3bet, if behind - fold.
      I even open a thread on 2+2 with this question and some smart guy wrote:
      "Pot odds say you can call as a slide underdog..."
      Simple!

      You're puting 0.2 to 0.35+0.2 pot = ~36% eq and that's why call>3bet.
      So if you can call with AAxxx because you have 36% equity, you can't with 2233x because you only have 8% equity. Are their any two pair hands you can call with, or is it 3bet once you get to about Q's up?
    • Huricano
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      3322x has ~7% equity only against higher two pair.
      I was talking about his whole range.

      If opp range is QQ+ and u hold 3322x u have ~7% or less eq vs 2pair+
      which is ~7,5% of his range but around ~74% eq vs one pair which is
      3*3,25%=9,75% of his range.

      Average Equity (3322x vs QQ+):
      (0.74*9,75+0.07*7,5)/(9,75+7,5) *100%= ~45%
      Please notice that if x is Q/K/A you're even worse :]

      AA vs QQ+ I'll do later... :)