[NL2-NL10] A4s 02.02

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      Pacific Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG+1: $19.42
      MP: $26.87
      CO: $20.00
      BTN: $20.00
      SB: $36.10
      Hero (BB): $39.51
      UTG: $10.00

      SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.20

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has A:spade: 4:spade:

      fold, fold, MP raises to $0.80, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.70, MP calls $1.90

      Flop: ($5.50, 2 players) J:spade: T:spade: Q:club:
      Hero checks, MP bets $5.50, Hero raises to $36.81, MP calls $18.67

      Turn: ($53.84, 2 players) 4:club:

      River: ($53.84, 2 players) 5:diamond:



      I think that cbet would be bad play... because only better hand would call me...
      so I x/ship.. now I think that I should have just called and reevaluate situation on the turn...
  • 7 replies
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      f*** 6 again mistake... nice mess
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      mistake
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BGawli,

      You will rarely have much fold equity here and meanwhile he most likely has mainly strong hands here with his 3bet Call. You will need ~45% equity even for break-even which includes rake.

      So therefore, do you really think you will gain much fold equity with the Check/Raise here, I doubt so. At the best we could consider CBetting ourselves and maybe gaining even free card with that. If we do Check/Shove:

      Board: J:spade: T:spade: Q:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    63.42%  60.78%   2.64% { QQ-TT, AKs, AKo }
      UTG+1  36.58%  33.94%   2.64% { As4s }

      So it's not the greatest play. Since I can't really see him having a lot worse holding there or do you?

      Best Regards.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      for me cbeting this board is just isolate our hand from better one... because only better hands will call...
      so what would you say about playing it passive? just x/c flop and reevaluate situation on the turn?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BGawli
      for me cbeting this board is just isolate our hand from better one... because only better hands will call...
      so what would you say about playing it passive? just x/c flop and reevaluate situation on the turn?
      Check/Call could be an option but now again do we get the implied odds vs pot size Bet? We practically have to expect to get his full stack.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,735
      ok... i agree with cbet if our plan is to play for stacks on the flop...
      this board is pretty bad for us because as you said his range is: AK, TT-QQ...
      so after our cbet what do we want to do?

      i made calculation and it looks like that we want to play for stacks...
      lets say we cbet for $3.75 our opp ships for his rest of the stack ($24.17) so to call we have $20.42
      $20.42 / ($26.87*2+$0.10)*100%=0.37*100%=37,9%

      but i still see differences between x/ship than cbet/call or ship... by cbeting we isolate his range to top one (AK, TT+) by checking sometimes we generate bluffs or leave worse hand (not top one) and we have sometimes fold equity huge one in my opinion

      in this example our opp holds QJs so we were even favorites :)
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Then I might even prefer Check/Call and take the implied odds. Cause even if we do add the QJ into his range, our equity wont go up dramatically. If we do CB then we still get pretty much go-brok break-even spot. ;)