[NL2-NL10] 9Ts co vs btn

    • XandreW36
      XandreW36
      Platinum
      Joined: 05.09.2010 Posts: 197
      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      UTG: $43.54 (435.4 bb)
      MP: $14.66 (146.6 bb)
      Hero (CO): $26.47 (264.7 bb)
      BTN: $15.89 (158.9 bb)
      SB: $22.01 (220.1 bb)
      BB: $24.98 (249.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9:diamond: T:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.47, BTN calls $0.47, 2 folds

      Flop: ($1.21) 8:club: 4:diamond: J:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.81, BTN calls $0.81

      Turn: ($2.83) T:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero raises to $7.20, BTN raises to $14.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.39

      Deep stack table. BTN is week/tight, 15/11 AF: 2.5 over 84 hands.
      What do You think about this line?
  • 4 replies
    • luizsilveira
      luizsilveira
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.11.2010 Posts: 2,320
      Hi, XandreW36.

      I don't quite like it. On the turn our hand is much weaker than on the flop, and especially being deep I wouldn't play for stacks there.

      Usually I'd either send the second barrel or, at best, check/call since we're deep just to collect his floats (with info etc.).

      Your line doesn't make that much sense without history so he might be shoving a bit light as well (would you really play JJ or 88 like that? Or a straight?).

      I am asking Veriz for the eval. since I can't really figure how we're doing vs. his possible range there. I think many monsters would have raised flop already on that board, so I don't know. We are ahead of any higher FD since we've got a pair (we only lose to A :diamond: 8 :diamond:) and against any other hand we have our outs. So it might be that we even have eq. to call but I still don't like the big ch/r on the turn...
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello XandreW36,

      Why ain't ya just 2nd barreling there? Check/Raise the turn is anyways overplayed since against the equity you get in on the turn will be not the greatest one being so deep. Kind of overplayed your draw+pair there. For example:

      Board: 8:club: 4:diamond: J:diamond:  T:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    73.30%  71.90%   1.39% { JJ-TT, 88, 44, Q9s, Q9o }
      UTG+1  26.70%  25.31%   1.39% { Td9d }

      As you see not the greatest equity.

      Best Regards.
    • XandreW36
      XandreW36
      Platinum
      Joined: 05.09.2010 Posts: 197
      Originally posted by veriz

      For example:

      Board: 8:club: 4:diamond: J:diamond:  T:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    73.30%  71.90%   1.39% { JJ-TT, 88, 44, Q9s, Q9o }
      UTG+1  26.70%  25.31%   1.39% { Td9d }

      As you see not the greatest equity.

      Best Regards.
      I think he never has Q9o there, and maybe only half of the Q9s combos(and that is questionable). + His turn betting range vs missed cbet(turn) must be much wider IMO.

      Thing is (at least what I think) that these week/tights are just looking for reason to fold their hand.
      But yeah, any thinking oppo will know that this line doesn't make much sense, and may see trough my hand...

      btw, results :

      River: ($32.01) 7:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $32.01 pot ($1.44 rake)
      Final Board: 8:club: 4:diamond: J:diamond: T:spade: 7:heart:
      Hero showed 9:diamond: T:diamond: and won $30.57 ($14.68 net)
      BTN showed J:spade: K:club: and lost (-$15.89 net)
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      How would you know that? You just have 86 hands on him. He called KJ there so he could easily Call Q9o in position as well. That's true that we can't include all the Q9 hands but the idea what I tried to show you is against more thinking players you will have a very strong range which go broke for 150BB. He was just very bad here and fishy.

      Therefore 2nd barrel yourself on the turn. ;)