This is why I give up!!

    • graz187
      graz187
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      It happens all the time. Spare me the variance bullsh@t and your only a 83% favorite crap. This happens all the time with big pots and my tourny on the line. But Ill win the hell out of the 85% when the villian has 200 chips or vice versa
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
      SB ($16,120)
      Hero ($7,627)
      UTG ($4,525)
      UTG+1 ($5,835)
      CO ($3,145)
      BTN ($7,747)

      Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: K:diamond: , fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $400

      FLOP ($1,600) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart:

      SB bets $15,320 (AI), Hero calls $6,827 (AI)

      TURN ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart:

      RIVER ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart: A:club:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 83.0%, Turn 84.1%)

      SB shows J:club: A:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 17.0%, Turn 15.9%)

      SB wins $15,255
  • 36 replies
    • martinstids
      martinstids
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      U have to learn how our brain works before u say variance and "im so unlucky". The think is our brain remember bad moments 2x better or stronger then good moments. As in poker u just dont remember spots when u got lucky. If u understand this u will never tilt ar smt.And another think thats good to remember - your "downswing" ends after each of hand, so dont worry, next time YOU GET LUCKY not opp.
      Ps.com really need to make some mental videos to prepere our new players to calm down in some moments in poker.

      P.S. Sry for my english
    • dogma18
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      Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
    • Alficor1
      Alficor1
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      You should call police
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Isn't KQs about 45/55 against AJo?
    • stripofbacon
      stripofbacon
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      it's 50/50. as any two hands in poker.
    • Atoks
      Atoks
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      First off +1 to this:

      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Isn't KQs about 45/55 against AJo?

      Secondly as long as u get ur chips in good while playing ur A game that's all u can do. After that the dealer gets to do his work. Sometimes the dealers work is not liked by all. The key things here are:
      -playing ur A game
      -feel good about the situation ur A game brought u to
      -poker is a game of chance ... as long as ur not 100% winner it ain't over

      The rest is irrelevant.
    • 1z2x3y
      1z2x3y
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      @ graz187

      It's a dangerous flop, do you really wish to risk your whole tourny life with a flush draw board ? & possible straight draw ?

      The answer is NO.

      Forget the hindsight you now have, I.E after the 3 streets were revealed.

      Rewind to the flop in the moment, you should of asked yourself ( even with notes on that player ) do i wish to risk my whole tourny life here ! or just wait for a better spot & board.

      Folding, is just as much a part of poker as is calling, betting & raising.

      A min raise ? caution alarm bells, then a HUGE over bet.

      I wish you all the best of SKILL & luck on the virtual felt.
    • matel17
      matel17
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      Standard.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      We would never have seen this hand, nor heard you whining if you had won it.

      You may even have thought that you had played it well, which would have hurt your bankroll far more in the long run more than losing this hand.

      His betting makes sense for some hands that beat yours, yet you willingly bet your two pair. Your choice.
    • conall88
      conall88
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      You clearly have made no effort whatsoever to understand variance, equities etc. Why would you ever think you will somehow beat opponents of ANY kind by pressing a few buttons?
    • Castle93
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      top 2 pair was an easy fold.... yu just have to have a read on when hes gunna hit on the turn and river.....
    • deezer79
      deezer79
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      Originally posted by Castle93
      top 2 pair was an easy fold.... yu just have to have a read on when hes gunna hit on the turn and river.....
      +1
      How do you ever expect to make a profit without psychic abilities? Anyone who thinks poker isn't fixed and a total waste of time/money, should just quit.
    • gadget51
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      Hi all,

      I'll move this to downswing reports for you. :)

      Regards,

      Mal.
    • Relative18
      Relative18
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      Originally posted by graz187
      It happens all the time. Spare me the variance bullsh@t and your only a 83% favorite crap. This happens all the time with big pots and my tourny on the line. But Ill win the hell out of the 85% when the villian has 200 chips or vice versa
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
      SB ($16,120)
      Hero ($7,627)
      UTG ($4,525)
      UTG+1 ($5,835)
      CO ($3,145)
      BTN ($7,747)

      Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: K:diamond: , fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $400

      FLOP ($1,600) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart:

      SB bets $15,320 (AI), Hero calls $6,827 (AI)

      TURN ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart:

      RIVER ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart: A:club:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 83.0%, Turn 84.1%)

      SB shows J:club: A:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 17.0%, Turn 15.9%)

      SB wins $15,255
      Whow this was at cash table ? wow what kinda people go all in with Aj 15k$ on a gut shot ? wow very sick
    • Castle93
      Castle93
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      Originally posted by Relative18
      Originally posted by graz187
      It happens all the time. Spare me the variance bullsh@t and your only a 83% favorite crap. This happens all the time with big pots and my tourny on the line. But Ill win the hell out of the 85% when the villian has 200 chips or vice versa
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
      SB ($16,120)
      Hero ($7,627)
      UTG ($4,525)
      UTG+1 ($5,835)
      CO ($3,145)
      BTN ($7,747)

      Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: K:diamond: , fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $400

      FLOP ($1,600) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart:

      SB bets $15,320 (AI), Hero calls $6,827 (AI)

      TURN ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart:

      RIVER ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart: A:club:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 83.0%, Turn 84.1%)

      SB shows J:club: A:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 17.0%, Turn 15.9%)

      SB wins $15,255
      Whow this was at cash table ? wow what kinda people go all in with Aj 15k$ on a gut shot ? wow very sick
      are you taking the piss or :P
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Well, actually it was a tournament, and in a tournament, in order to finish ITM, you first have to finish.

      I felt a bit bad for ragging on the OP earlier, so I plugged his hand into Equilab.
      on the flop against any 22, QQ+ and any two hearts, OP is only 63:37.

      In the absence of good reads on SB's aggression -- or notes on his post-flop play -- or other non-card information, this is time to take a note and move on.

      We also don't know what type of tournament this is.
      If is a 9-man SnG we're a long way from push/fold.
      The big stack is bullying because he can.

      Even so, if SB had pushed, ICM trainer says KQs is a good call.
      But why risk EVERYTHING on a 1.7 : 1 gamble?

      When you are playing for the entire tournament, you must take this attitude with you to the table:
      I shove these chips into the middle, happy to either win or lose.
      If you have doubts about the truth of that, then fold.
    • Alficor1
      Alficor1
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      Joined: 16.06.2010 Posts: 7,291
      Originally posted by Relative18
      Originally posted by graz187
      It happens all the time. Spare me the variance bullsh@t and your only a 83% favorite crap. This happens all the time with big pots and my tourny on the line. But Ill win the hell out of the 85% when the villian has 200 chips or vice versa
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
      SB ($16,120)
      Hero ($7,627)
      UTG ($4,525)
      UTG+1 ($5,835)
      CO ($3,145)
      BTN ($7,747)

      Dealt to Hero Q:diamond: K:diamond: , fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $400

      FLOP ($1,600) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart:

      SB bets $15,320 (AI), Hero calls $6,827 (AI)

      TURN ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart:

      RIVER ($15,255) 2:diamond: Q:heart: K:heart: 2:heart: A:club:

      Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 44%, Flop 83.0%, Turn 84.1%)

      SB shows J:club: A:spade:
      (Pre 56%, Flop 17.0%, Turn 15.9%)

      SB wins $15,255
      Whow this was at cash table ? wow what kinda people go all in with Aj 15k$ on a gut shot ? wow very sick
      Yea its a cash game dude, all over the world people buyin into 200/400 with 6000 bones or less to reduce the variance.
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Originally posted by 1z2x3y
      @ graz187

      It's a dangerous flop, do you really wish to risk your whole tourny life with a flush draw board ? & possible straight draw ?

      The answer is NO.

      Forget the hindsight you now have, I.E after the 3 streets were revealed.

      Rewind to the flop in the moment, you should of asked yourself ( even with notes on that player ) do i wish to risk my whole tourny life here ! or just wait for a better spot & board.

      Folding, is just as much a part of poker as is calling, betting & raising.

      A min raise ? caution alarm bells, then a HUGE over bet.

      I wish you all the best of SKILL & luck on the virtual felt.
      Sorry but this answer is bullshit. Of course we want to risk our whole tournament life getting it in vs draws that aren't favourite against us. Are you saying we only want to get it in with 100% equity, because that doesn't happen very often. Your logic is the same as saying we shouldn't get it in with AA preflop because "Do we really want to risk our tournament life with only 80% equity?".

      That being said, get used to it OP, bad beats happen so just get over it.
    • noisecore
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      What is the sample of your current downswing?
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