[NL20-NL50] NL20 KQs vs fish worth 3rd barrel?

    • M1rCea
      M1rCea
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.07.2010 Posts: 936
      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $20.28 (101.4 bb)
      BB: $6 (30 bb)
      UTG+1: $7.52 (37.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $20.50 (102.5 bb)
      MP1: $48.18 (240.9 bb)
      MP2: $14.65 (73.3 bb)
      MP3: $15.27 (76.4 bb)
      CO: $8.41 (42.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $20 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
      4 folds, MP3 calls $0.20, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.80

      Flop: ($2.30) J 7 9 (2 players)
      MP3 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.60, MP3 calls $1.40

      Turn: ($5.50) A (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $3, MP3 calls $3

      River: ($11.50) 6 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $8, MP3 raises to $9.67 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.67

      Results: $30.84 pot ($1.54 rake)
      Final Board: J 7 9 A 6
      MP3 showed 8 9 and won $29.30 ($14.03 net)
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$15.27 net)


      Villain is 53/6, 1,5 aggression weak player.

      1. What do you think about first 2 barrels?
      2. Since he minbet, ch T. When he checks river again I'm figuring he either has a missed draw, or a weak pair. Is a 3rd barrel worth it to represent an Ace and take him off a lower pair?
      seems not

      Should I even try this kind of elaborate plays to make fish fold weaker hands at these limits?

      Ty,
      Daniel
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello M1rCea,

      Flop: I like the raise here and most likely I would have done the same. But I'd most likely raise a bit bigger, ~$2 as I would CB that amount.
      Turn: Most likely I wouldn't be 2nd barreling here against a fish cause you will rarely have much fold equity and we don't want to face Check/Raise, just Check it behind!

      As played
      River: You kind of overplaying your hand, you will rarely have fold equity vs loose opponent. ;) Give up! Don't try to bluff a station, easy and simple rule. :P

      Best Regards.
    • M1rCea
      M1rCea
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.07.2010 Posts: 936
      thank you veriz

      considering we don't really know our opponent (if he is a station or not)

      If we ch/back turn doesn't it show the strength of our hand? thus we just hope to hit one of our 12 outs I guess

      Isn't the turn a good scare card to barrel on? Also, we still have 24% chance to hit our draws. Can we 2nd barrel, smaller (like 2,25), to give ourselves the right odds to hit our outs (disconsidering the fact that maybe even the K, Q are valid outs)?

      And maybe just give up river if we don't hit.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      considering we don't really know our opponent (if he is a station or not)

      Can't really do that -> limp preflop -> loose opponent. Plus not fully stacked.

      If we ch/back turn doesn't it show the strength of our hand? thus we just hope to hit one of our 12 outs I guess

      What do you mean strength? It could also show weakness. :) Because we are scared of the Ace. :D

      Isn't the turn a good scare card to barrel on? Also, we still have 24% chance to hit our draws. Can we 2nd barrel, smaller (like 2,25), to give ourselves the right odds to hit our outs (disconsidering the fact that maybe even the K, Q are valid outs)?

      Well, it may be against thinking opponents but most likely not against loose opponents which I expect this opponent being.
    • M1rCea
      M1rCea
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.07.2010 Posts: 936
      yeah I meant the strength, as in the lack of strength like we are also on a draw or a medium hand that doesn't want to protect.

      but then again yeah, opponent may be very well only looking at his own hand.

      man, I should really stop trying to bluff fishes when they show aggression...