I REALLY need help

    • haines21
      haines21
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      So here's the story.

      I started playing poker two years ago, built a BR up and got to NL10, withdrew all my money for some real life commitments, and started trying to build a BR again.

      I currently dominate live games at my local casino, clearing 1-200 pounds a night on the weekend easily on the cash tables £1 BB.

      But online, i just cant beat NL 0.02/0.05

      If i raise preflop with AA, i get 4 calls, same old story with good hands, it seems to be the moto online, get in with the worst hand, hit a monster.

      And the amount of time its Set over set, which you just DONT see in live games is incredible.

      My BB/100 is currently -10.73, and im playing SOUND poker in my honest opinion, that wins me plenty of money live.

      what the hell can i do? HELP!
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    • gadget51
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      Hi there haines21,

      I'll move this to no limit beginners forum for you ok? I may get a quicker response there.

      Regards,

      Mal.
    • verneer
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      Originally posted by haines21
      what the hell can i do? HELP!
      How many hands have you played in 2012? Do you use Holdem Manager?
    • haines21
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      I have played 1.3k hands so far, in the last two weeks, i use pokertracker 3 currently, the trial version.
    • verneer
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      Originally posted by haines21
      I have played 1.3k hands so far, in the last two weeks, i use pokertracker 3 currently, the trial version.
      That's a really small (virtually statistically insignificant) sample size. Go ahead and post your positional stats over that sample though so we can get a general sense of your game.

      Also, post your top three losing hands in that stretch.
    • abhi147
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      what are your vpip pfr stats?
      and also wtsd and w$sd?

      Though 1.3K is nota good sample size

      Also not that live poker is very different from online poker
    • datsmahname
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      its tough to build a BR these days.

      my gut tells me that solid microstakes players would have been pros 30 yrs ago.

      chances are you have some leaks in your fundamentals since that is very common for players who got their feet wet a few years ago.

      brush up on some articles in the bronze section. work through em and that will probably help a lot.

      people will discuss small samples, but the truth is that its not very realistic for many casual grinders to "reach the long term" in a manor that allows them to look deeply at their own stats.

      Instead work on your theory. You don't need big databases for that, and its certainly as valuable... maybe more so.
    • haines21
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      I hope this helps you constructively criticise my play.

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    • datsmahname
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      its probably easier to have someone review your session or specific hands.

      check out the hand posting forums for your stakes/game format.

      99.99% of all conventional statistics only describe tendencies. they do not explain them.

      if this isn't clear on first glance, read about the differences between descriptive and inferential statistics.
    • haines21
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      I've had hands reviewed, and its nearly always the same response, unlucky, or they would of played the hand the same way.

      There must be something someone can see from my stats
    • Wurble
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      The only thing I can take from your stats is you're calling too much preflop. Your VPIP is 16 and PFR only 8... Small sample so could just be variance but these two numbers should be much closer to eachother. Also, you're only really making money on the button and most of your loss has come from seat 4..

      It also looks like you're open limping sometimes UTG? It doesn't look like your range opens up as much as I would expect from utg to the button but again this could be variance.. I don't play FR but UTG should be really low and getting on for at least 30% pfr unopened on the button?

      Some questions... Are you positionally aware? It looks like you are but maybe you don't take position as seriously as you should? Do you open limp? And are you following the starting hand chart or doing your own thing?

      Can you please post your post flop stats too? Things like cbet, cbet success, turn cbet, agg factor etc?

      This is just my take on what I see in front of me, really your sample is too small... You could play like god and lose over 10k hands.
    • datsmahname
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      Originally posted by haines21
      I've had hands reviewed, and its nearly always the same response, unlucky, or they would of played the hand the same way.

      There must be something someone can see from my stats
      This might be a simplified response... but if those are the only replies you're getting then you might want to question the source.

      Either that or you might want to be a bit more liberal in the hands you send people.
    • datsmahname
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      Originally posted by Wurble
      The only thing I can take from your stats is you're calling too much preflop. Your VPIP is 16 and PFR only 8... Small sample so could just be variance but these two numbers should be much closer to eachother.
      preflop stats converge very quickly, faster than any other. ~300 hands is a robust sample so this is plenty.
    • haines21
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      Im Limping UTG with <99 to try and set mine.


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    • Wurble
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      OK, don't limp pp's utg or in any position for that matter. I mean, you can make allowances on really passive tables with small pairs and limp behind but open limping is a huge leak because you'll be isolated a lot and your hand is pretty obvious to everyone which means you'll very rarely get the money you should when you hit.

      In FR UTG you don't necessarily need to play small pp's although I would and if you're going to play them then open raise pre...

      You have quite a low c-bet % and quite high aggression frequency which makes me think you're playing a lot of hands out of position?

      Your W$WSF is good, WTSD good but W$SD could do with being a little higher... You must have some leaks in the way that you're playing hands post flop...

      I would suggest digging your 20 biggest losing hands and 20 biggest winning hands out of your db and posting them in the hand evaluation forum for a coach to take a look at and then keep doing this as often as you can. Also, try to analyse some other peoples hands yourself and then see what the coach says different... This helped me a LOT.
    • haines21
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      thanks for the reply mate, do you think it would help if i join a site like cardruners?

      Im very serious about improving my online game, sure i can win 200 on a weekend live, but during the week im stuck with online
    • Wurble
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      Originally posted by haines21
      thanks for the reply mate, do you think it would help if i join a site like cardruners?

      Im very serious about improving my online game, sure i can win 200 on a weekend live, but during the week im stuck with online
      Cardrunners is good from what I hear but why pay for something you get here for just playing on a tracked site? There really is a lot of educational stuff to go through here so get through that lot first and then look at card runners :)

      Apart from reading strategy articles and watching coaching videos, posting hands and analysing other peoples hands is the best thing you can do imo. If you learn to think about each hand properly and play each situation as best you can your stats and bank roll will sort themselves out.

      If you're sersious about improving then I would suggest spending two hours studying for every one hour you play for the next two weeks and then gradually shift the study\play balance more toward playing as you feel your game improving.