[NL2-NL10] Nl4 Fr

    • Holidej
      Holidej
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.05.2011 Posts: 107
      Honestly, I made that bad pre-flop call because I was tilting. But the question is about post flop play. I think I overplayed flash draw. On flop I called that big raise, because theoretically I have implied odds, especialy against two players, right? Now, on turn both players pushed, and I get ~3:1 pot odds, with my flash draw+gutshot I can call, right? But still I have feeling that I overplayed it :rolleyes:

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG1:
      $0.21
      UTG2:
      $2.39
      MP1:
      $4.21
      MP2:
      $1.36
      MP3 (Hero):
      $4.04
      CO:
      $3.74
      BU:
      $4.86
      SB:
      $4.02
      BB:
      $1.20


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, K.
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $0.04, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12, BU calls $0.12, SB folds, BB calls $0.08, UTG2 calls $0.08.

      Flop: ($0.74) 3, J, 9 (6 players)
      BB checks, UTG2 checks, MP2 bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, CO folds, BU raises to $1.19, BB folds, UTG2 calls $1.19, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.07.

      Turn: ($4.43) 8 (3 players)
      UTG2 checks, Hero checks, BU raises to $3.55, UTG2 calls $1.08(All-In), Hero calls $2.73.

      River: ($11.79) 8 (3 players)


      Final Pot: $11.79.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of eights(7 K).
      BU shows a full-house, nines full of eights(9 9).
      UTG2 shows a full-house, threes full of eights(3 3).

      BU wins with a full-house, nines full of eights(9 9).
  • 10 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Holidej,

      Preflop: Fold preflop!

      As played
      Postflop: Rather fold on flop while being OOP and in such a multiway pot. :) Especially when you are going to make such mistakes on the turn. Pretty bad play. :(

      Best Regards.
    • Karl0zzz
      Karl0zzz
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2010 Posts: 111
      I suggest to read the articles here...

    • Holidej
      Holidej
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.05.2011 Posts: 107
      Can you give me wider explanation? Why is call on turn big mistake if pot odds are 3:1, and I have odds 2:1?
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,586
      Originally posted by Holidej
      Can you give me wider explanation? Why is call on turn big mistake if pot odds are 3:1, and I have odds 2:1?
      If you go allin on a flop with a flushdraw you will hit it 1 out of 3 times on average. But in your example you are not on the flop anymore, you are on turn. And your odds on turn are worse since you only have 1 card to come. It's 9 (the number of :spade: cards left) / 46 (the number of cards we haven't seen in this hand yet) = 0,1956521739130435 => you hit your flush 1 out of 5 times on average if you go allin on turn with a flushdraw.
    • Holidej
      Holidej
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.05.2011 Posts: 107
      Slipkn6t you are forgetting one thing, on turn I have flash draw+ gutshot. ;) But my calculation error, I thought that I have odds 2:1 on turn, while actually they were 3:1. :f_cry: I see mistake now.
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,586
      Originally posted by Holidej
      Slipkn6t you are forgetting one thing, on turn I have flash draw+ gutshot. ;) But my calculation error, I thought that I have odds 2:1 on turn, while actually they were 3:1. :f_cry: I see mistake now.
      ok 13 (4 gutshot + 9 flushdraw) / 46 = 0.2826086956521739 => 1 out of 3.5.
    • Karl0zzz
      Karl0zzz
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2010 Posts: 111

      Board: 3:spade: J:spade: 9:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    29.00%  29.00%   0.00% { Ks7s }
      MP3    66.45%  66.45%   0.00% { 9s9c }
      CO      4.55%   4.55%   0.00% { 3d3h }


      Seems like you have 3.4:1 odds here and pot odds are 3.1:1 on flop.


      But on turn:

      Board: 3:spade: J:spade: 9:heart:  8:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    23.81%  23.81%   0.00% { Ks7s }
      MP3    73.80%  73.80%   0.00% { 9s9c }
      CO      2.39%   2.39%   0.00% { 3d3h }


      You have 4.3:1 and pot odds are 3:1

      To Slipkn6t:
      Gutshot+FD is 12 outs... :megusta:
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,586
      Originally posted by Karl0zzz
      To Slipkn6t:
      Gutshot+FD is 12 outs... :megusta:
      why don't you explain it instead of just saying? Like this:
      1 gutshot out = FD out because it's the same card. And that's why GS+FD has 12 outs not 13.
      It took me like 2 minutes to understand this, you could save my time by explaining it yourself :D
    • Karl0zzz
      Karl0zzz
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2010 Posts: 111
      Originally posted by slipkn6t
      Originally posted by Karl0zzz
      To Slipkn6t:
      Gutshot+FD is 12 outs... :megusta:
      why don't you explain it instead of just saying? Like this:
      1 gutshot out = FD out because it's the same card. And that's why GS+FD has 12 outs not 13.
      It took me like 2 minutes to understand this, you could save my time by explaining it yourself :D
      At Least now you know and understand it, because you figured it out yourself..:)
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Holidej
      Can you give me wider explanation? Why is call on turn big mistake if pot odds are 3:1, and I have odds 2:1?
      Well, because you could be against straight? You could be against set? You have to discount outs and you ain't getting then the correct odds?