[NL2-NL10] nl2 fr party - flopped top set with initiative

    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,593
      Play hand

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $2.35
      MP2:
      $2.00
      MP3 (Hero):
      $8.72
      CO:
      $2.00
      BU:
      $0.97
      SB:
      $4.18
      BB:
      $5.24


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, T.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06.

      Flop: ($0.25) 6, 4, T (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, BB folds.

      Turn: ($0.61) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.43, CO calls $0.43.

      River: ($1.47) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.03 (All-In), CO calls $1.31 (All-In).
      Final Pot: $4.09.

      Results follow:
      CO shows 9 8 :coolface:
      Hero shows T T :rage:

      Stats:

      I guess I played it fine...
  • 7 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello slipkn6t,

      Doubt that we can do much there, he can easily have a lot worse holdings.

      Best Regards.
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,593
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello slipkn6t,

      Doubt that we can do much there, he can easily have a lot worse holdings.

      Best Regards.
      where exactly was his mistake? In cold calling preflop or in chasing the gutshot from flop? Calling my cbets for hitting a gutshot is very profitable I think, because I don't cbet such boards with just overcards and if you hit it I pay you 100bb :facepalm:

      What effective stack does he need for his call to be profitable?
      Like in calling with 22-88 you need a stack of minimum 20 times the raise size (call 20 rule), what about suited connectors?
      Thanks.
    • numbnutter
      numbnutter
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      Joined: 21.09.2011 Posts: 139
      http://resources.pokerstrategy.com/Editorial/en/Data/ps_chart_en_outs_und_odds.pdf

      You get 5:1 odds on making a gutshot (flop to river). Therefore you hit a gutshot one in 6 times, so the maximum he should be investing to win a 100bb stack is ~16bb. Here he invests 30.5bb so over the long run loses almost double what he makes. Of course since he hits it on the turn he gets better odds than this but he also can't be sure that you will pay him off (pretty standard to cbet such a board). It definitely isn't profitable to chase gutshots like this in the long run.
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,593
      Originally posted by numbnutter
      pretty standard to cbet such a board
      why is that?
      I only cbet bluff boards with broadway cards like:
      7:diamond: J:club: 3:heart:
      or:
      A:spade: T:spade: 5:diamond:
    • numbnutter
      numbnutter
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      Joined: 21.09.2011 Posts: 139
      T is a broadway card :)

      Also it's pretty unlikely for him to have hit such a board so he will have a hard time continuing mostly.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      where exactly was his mistake?

      Sry, I missed that he got a GS on the turn. :D So practically he didn't play that horrible the hand.

      what about suited connectors?

      Implied odds, no specific rule for them.
    • slipkn6t
      slipkn6t
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      Joined: 27.06.2011 Posts: 5,593
      :rage: