Down 160 BI's in 60K hands; Ready to Turn it Around

    • fotakis
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      It is exactly 162 BI !!! My problem is TILT. It is not that I don't know the fundamentals - I may be I can say that I know them above the average. I have read all the basic books for theory, as well as for poker psychology. i play my A-game for 60%-70% of my time, but the rest 30%-40% is terrible. Although I know that what I do is wrong, something pushes me to do it. "I don't believe him. He tries to bluff me" or "Raise-second barell- third barell with air vs a super loose opponent" and so on, are some misleading thoughts that drive me to mistakes. I understand that some of these happens to mosts of the players at some time. But I have never met something similar. And that's why I wonder if it is something more important that just tilt in poker.
      I have also to mention that generally in my life I take decisions persuated by emotions, even I recognise that they are logically incorrect.
      The following hand is usual monkey play:


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($4.25)
      BB ($25)
      UTG ($29.76)
      UTG+1 ($17.03)
      UTG+2 ($25.31)
      Hero ($10)
      CO ($44.94)
      BTN ($37.75)

      Hero posts $0.25

      Dealt to Hero 2:spade: A:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.75,
      fold, fold, Hero calls $0.50, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

      FLOP ($2.60) Q:diamond: 6:spade: Q:spade:

      UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.76, UTG calls $1.76, Hero calls $1.76

      TURN ($7.88) Q:diamond: 6:spade: Q:spade: 6:heart:

      UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

      RIVER ($7.88) Q:diamond: 6:spade: Q:spade: 6:heart: A:club:

      UTG checks, Hero bets $7.49 (AI), BTN folds, UTG calls $7.49

      UTG shows K:club: Q:heart:
      (Pre 40%, Flop 75.1%, Turn 100.0%)

      Hero shows 2:spade: A:spade:
      (Pre 60%, Flop 24.9%, Turn 0.0%)

      UTG wins $21.83
  • 73 replies
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Why are you only buying in to NL25 with $10? Or are you playing a midstack game?

      Just curious :)
    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      Joined: 11.11.2010 Posts: 88
      Up to now I supposed that it was a terrible mistake to be involved to poker.
      It doesn't matter if you know how to play, if you can't.
      But suddenly everything changed.
      Verneer , who is very respectful in the whole community, read my post (or listened my cries), and offered to help me. And the most important FOR FREE. I don't know what is going to happen, and what the results will have but in any case this is an amazing offer. It is the first time in my "poker carrier", that I find some hope.
      We are going to work together through this blog , and any advices are also wellcome. I hope everyone to see my future progress.
    • Solidius
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      Good luck.

      Are you Greek ? :s_cool:
    • acetbfish
      acetbfish
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      Ok, I think I should start cry more if that can get me a help from Verneer for free!
      Gl mate!Keep us often updated so that we can all see how this is going to work!!
    • fotakis
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      Here is my graph from HM
      [img][IMG]https://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2487/graphao.jpg[/IMG] Uploaded with ImageShack.us[/img]
    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      Originally posted by Solidius
      Good luck.

      Are you Greek ? :s_cool:
      Thank you. Yes, I am a poor and bankrupted Greek.
    • bjela
      bjela
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      GL man, verneer will sort you out, you'll be crushing the micros real soon.
    • Solidius
      Solidius
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      Originally posted by fotakis
      Originally posted by Solidius
      Good luck.

      Are you Greek ? :s_cool:
      Thank you. Yes, I am a poor and bankrupted Greek.
      So am i.

      Καλύ τύχη φίλε, εύχομαι όσα έχεις χάσει να τα βγάλεις σε κέρδος.
    • Anger86
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      Good luck.

      I hope you do better. Yeah, tilt is a b**ch, but you'll win. :f_p:
    • roopopper
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      good luck will be following, make sure to keep us updated with all the info :f_biggrin:


      Roo
    • martijnde666
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      GL!!!

      About the hand:

      This is also al point of myzelf that needs a little attention:

      respecting an UTG open:

      Most of the time when a player opens from UTG you can give him this range:

      66+, ATs+, AQo+

      This range is crushing your hand, so if its an solid player i will fold preflop.
      As played check behind river, they will only call with better than Ax
    • inlovewithamsterdam
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      nice one!! I expect nothing but success once Verneer becomes your coach!
    • fotakis
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      I've started coaching with Verneer and I have to say that the guy is really amazing. At first he reviews ALL my hands EVERY DAY. But the most important, is that he focus to pass me the fundamentals. He knows that I know them, but he also knows that I cannot apply them at my game. So, at this stage, I must take the most simple decisions. Because when I try to put in hand reading, type of opponent, stake sizes, metagame and so on, the resurt is wrong. This leads to tilt and this drives to more wrong desicions. If emosions are involved in your desicion making procedure, the less complicated the desicions you have to takeare, less affected will be by your emotions.
      As an example, here is a hand that I played, and the comments Verneer did about it. MP1 is 60/0/0 after 132 hands, but with Flop Af: 4.2

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($12.68)
      BB ($26.38)
      UTG ($25)
      Hero ($25)
      UTG+2 ($33.94)
      MP1 ($8.03)
      MP2 ($42.42)
      CO ($9.65)
      BTN ($14.80)

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: K:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, MP1 calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

      FLOP ($2.35) 9:club: 4:club: 2:club:

      BB checks, Hero bets $2.24, MP1 raises to $7.28 (AI), BB folds, Hero calls $5.04

      TURN ($16.91) 9:club: 4:club: 2:club: 4:diamond:

      RIVER ($16.91) 9:club: 4:club: 2:club: 4:diamond: 7:spade:

      Hero shows A:heart: K:spade:
      (Pre 59%, Flop 24.4%, Turn 13.6%)

      MP1 shows 9:diamond: 8:diamond:
      (Pre 41%, Flop 75.6%, Turn 86.4%)

      MP1 wins $16.15

      I thought that I had played that hand, more or less right. BUT, Verneer's comments:
      Just check/fold the flop.
      Don't bet into two people.
      Don't call a raise.
      You have no equity.
      You only invested $0.75 preflop.
      Why are you throwing away $8 postflop?
      When you bet
      bet becaues you have a hand
      or you have equity
      don't bet with nothing in multi-way pots
      So - for the next three days.
      1. Continue playing tight.
      2. Stop bluffing on turns and rivers
      send me an update on Sunday and I'll talk to yoiu then.
      Remember - I will check out your hands.

      The last comment is the most important. A respectful member of the community decided to spend some of his time to evolve my game, without any profit (Don't forget that he coaches me for free). It is my obligation to follow his instructions. I have to prove him that I am serious about poker and that he doesn't spend his time without reason.

      So, I follow his instructions, I open raise according to the charts of his book, and although it is very early (I have played about 5000 hands with him ) my green line has stopped falling down.
      Verneer has put me first goal : Try to lose less.
      Here is my graph updated:

      [img][IMG]https://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4930/graphgu.jpg[/IMG][/img]
    • Phgrinder
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      i can only imagine the rakeback and the experience you'll be getting once you break even. :D
    • roopopper
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      cool cool cool the green line is starting to curve in the right direction :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin:

      Great stuff keep us posted :f_thumbsup:

      Roo
    • YinYangS
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      i would love to see how this would turn out. :D

      nice graph by the way! have to flip it though. ahahaha :D

      good to see that your green line is gradually starting to have a nice curve. :D

      good luck dude! :]
    • acetbfish
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      Can you post the graph only of the last 5000 hands?Also,can you post your stats before and after the start of the coaching?I think that it would be very nice to see how your gameplay changed :)
    • verneer
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      1. Play tight.
      2. Don't bluff.
      3. Value bet good hands.

      Good start for turning things around :)
    • fotakis
      fotakis
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      Originally posted by verneer
      1. Play tight.
      2. Don't bluff.
      3. Value bet good hands.

      Good start for turning things around :)
      Thanks, coach!!!