[NL20-NL50] bad river re-raise?

    • CarmenPro
      CarmenPro
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.08.2011 Posts: 95
      No reason to raise on the river? Good fold?

      Villian VP: 26 PR: 31 (86 hands)



      PartyGaming - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      FogDevil666 (LP): $30.66
      Yagood13 (CO): $28.07
      Manyifishy (BTN): $25.57
      DarkLucas (SB): $13.61
      Johnny13366 (BB): $28.84
      toentjeman (UTG): $6.75
      winner757 (UTG+1): $42.72
      CarmenPro (MP): $25.68
      Faust-GP (MP+1): $41.46

      DarkLucas posts SB $0.10, Johnny13366 posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) CarmenPro has 5:heart: 5:spade:

      fold, fold, CarmenPro calls $0.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Johnny13366 checks

      Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) A:spade: 7:diamond: 5:club:
      Johnny13366 checks, CarmenPro bets $0.42, Johnny13366 calls $0.42

      Turn: ($1.44, 2 players) 7:spade:
      Johnny13366 checks, CarmenPro bets $1.02, Johnny13366 calls $1.02

      River: ($3.48, 2 players) K:diamond:
      Johnny13366 bets $2.48, CarmenPro raises to $5.25, Johnny13366 raises to $27.15 and is all-in, fold

      Johnny13366 wins $13.29
  • 7 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello CarmenPro,

      Preflop: On those limits rather raise up your hands if you play any PPs. It's very easy to adjust to your game with what you limping.

      As played
      Postflop: You can easily Bet the flop & turn bigger cause if he has a hand he is willing to pay. But otherwise seems to be fine on the river. Still like the small raise for value to get called from Ax or such type of hands. Good fold!

      Best Regards.
    • CarmenPro
      CarmenPro
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.08.2011 Posts: 95
      Thanks for previous answer Veriz. Few more questions about this hand:

      I raise 3 x bb and if he 1 re-raise is made can I call with 55 only for set value against 1 bss player?

      Also about betting bigger. How big should I bet there on flop and turn then in your opinion? My standard c-bet is 3/4 of pot would players not adjust if they see me betting bigger when connected well with the flop?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      I raise 3 x bb and if he 1 re-raise is made can I call with 55 only for set value against 1 bss player?

      Depends a lot on the opponent, his 3bet, opponents stack, opponents positions. So basically there are too many factors from we should base before set mining. For set mining we can use Call15 if it's a 3bet pot.

      Also about betting bigger. How big should I bet there on flop and turn then in your opinion? My standard c-bet is 3/4 of pot would players not adjust if they see me betting bigger when connected well with the flop?

      Well, as you may understand. If they have an ace or any hand which wants to continue they will Call anyways. So you can do it $0,50+ on the flop and ~$1,20 on turn. :)
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      I'm struggling to understand how this is a fold on the river. A7,K7,77, makes up 13 combos. Don't you think Villain could easily be overplaying some other 7x hand here, which gives 16 combos? And would he really check/call flop and turn with these hands. I've seen plenty of people shove complete air with a busted flush draw in this situation. I'm just never folding bottom FH here. Can you talk me through this one?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Busted draw - mate you for real? In a freeplay pot? Why should he ever jam with busted draw?

      Why shouldn't be Check/Call the flop? Then I could argue with you why is he not Check/Raising the turn when he had the trips? Obvious that he was trying to slowplaying and maybe let you catch the flush or something.

      Neither I don't see that he shoves 7x for value while being in a freeplay pot. We haven't invested much into the the pot and why should we be calling ~$20 here to just make the guess either we are ahead or not.

      We would need ~40% equity and I don't really see how we manage to get it. So please post me the range you think he is shoving there. Cause I don't really see any we beat, even if we add some 7x combos cause we never can add all combos, we still wont get it.
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Yes :facepalm: at busted FD. You're probably right.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Yes :facepalm: at busted FD. You're probably right.
      Well, I wouldn't say that I am always right. It's good that you pointed out so we could discuss and think a bit more about the situation. :)