I'm being ripped to shreds by stuff like this

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      This is part whine, part sanity check.
      I think that any way I play this differently, I lose tremendous value over the long term.
      The player on the button is quite solid -- about 300 hands he is 20/15, and he steals about 30% from the button. I don't recall if I've ever seen him 4Bet.
      He has folded to a resteal 3Bet previously.

      I briefly considered standing pat.

      beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      UTG: $0.40
      UTG+1: $2.72
      CO: $5.57
      Button: $8.88
      SB: $3.06 (Hero)
      BB: $2.70

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) J:spade: K:heart: T:spade: K:club: T:diamond: (6 players)
      3 folds, Button raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, Button calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.70) (2 players)
      Hero discards 1, Button discards 3,
      K:heart: T:spade: K:club: T:diamond: || A:heart:
      Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

      Button showed 3:diamond: 5:spade: 9:spade: 9:club: 9:heart: , three of a kind, Nines
      Hero showed A:heart: K:heart: T:spade: K:club: T:diamond: , two pair, Kings and Tens
      Button won $1.05
      (Rake: $0.05)
  • 3 replies
    • Huricano
      Huricano
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      Joined: 29.08.2010 Posts: 2,228
      Are you better predraw most of the time?
      Yes.
      Are you gonna get called postdraw by 50%+ worse hands?
      Yes.

      So NH.

      If you stand pat he might fold some QQup-99up.

      But I wonder who is playing 20/15 at 0.1/0.2 and CAN fold to a 3bet predraw...
      that must be some of higher stakes regulars...screen name?
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      name is litvinoff (on pokerstars)
      Is that you? :P


      Here are two hands going the other way:
      I steal from the button, and get 3Bet.
      With what range should I be calling the 3Bet?

      In this first one, I have just met this guy, so know nothing about him:
      Milked from a feral cow
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      UTG: $2.90
      UTG+1: $2.47
      CO: $2.34
      Button: $3.90 (Hero)
      SB: $5.84
      BB: $7.01

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) 3:club: Q:spade: J:diamond: Q:diamond: 9:club: (6 players)
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.30, BB folds, Hero folds
      I'm now getting 5.5 : 1 odds to improve two queens.
      Odds of improving to trips or better is 7.7 : 1, and I think I need at least trips here to be good. Correct fold?

      In the second hand:
      Converted by a herd of feral cows
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      UTG: $3.17
      UTG+1: $2.46
      CO: $2.54
      Button: $3.92 (Hero)
      SB: $5.18
      BB: $6.98

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) 8:diamond: 5:diamond: 4:diamond: Q:club: 2:diamond: (6 players)
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.30, BB folds, Hero calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.70) (2 players)
      SB stands, Hero discards 1,
      8:diamond: 5:diamond: 4:diamond: 2:diamond: || 3:heart:
      SB bets $0.20, Hero folds

      Here, I've got a 4-flush, with odds of hitting of 4.22 : 1, and with the 3Bet, I'm now getting 5.5 : 1 pot odds.

      Although I don't believe his "pat hand" here, I have nothing to challenge it with.
      Good fold?
    • Huricano
      Huricano
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      Joined: 29.08.2010 Posts: 2,228
      Litvinoff hehe.
      Yea solid player (supernova if I remember) but sometimes tilting :)

      Here is hand from Russian PokerStrategy.
      The best Stand Pat I ever saw!
      Litvinoff fold trips here while fish call with KKup :D

      Оригинал пользователя lolDRAMAturg
      Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players

      BB: $3.57
      UTG: $49.77
      UTG+1: $9.14
      CO: $8.40
      Button: $5.41 (Hero)
      SB: $22.44

      Dealing Hands: ($0.35) (6 players)
      UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25

      First Draw: ($4.00) (4 players)
      SB discards 2, BB discards 2, UTG+1 discards 2, Hero stands,

      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds

      BB mucked
      Hero showed , two pair, Aces and Jacks
      Hero won $4.84
      (Rake: $0.16)

      Комментарии: меня 3бетит рег с 3бетом 10%, потом заходят еще двое, кэпаю с намерением блефовать в рега. После обмена рег долго думал и сбросил, затем неадекват кольнул с КК99, а в чат от рега, офигевшего от моей руки, получил следующее:


      :f_grin: :f_grin: :f_grin:
      About hands:

      1) Very tight fold, but if you are sure that he never has worse than KKup It's correct. Although you may get overrun by draws in future. If he isn't "aggro" with draws but 3betting ~3322+ then you should call.

      2) Yea with flushdraw you always have odds to call a 3bet.
      However if blinds are very good (or calling stations) opening this hand will be ev- That's only one high card and you also need to discard it, so you likely never win when you paired up. Also the question is what you do if BB call and discard 1? You have to bluff 8-high to make him fold some other draws which will cost you money if he has 2 pairs. Some other flushdraws have showdown value vs (1) :f_cool:

      Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players - View hand 1655282
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A :club: Q :club: J :club: 9 :club: 6 :spade:
      UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls

      First Draw: (4.5 SB) (2 players)
      BB draws 1, Hero draws 1
      Hand: A :club: Q :club: J :club: 9 :club: 6 :diamond:
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Final Pot: 2.25 BB
      BB shows J :diamond: T :heart: 8 :heart: 3 :heart: 2 :heart: (high card Jack)
      Hero shows A :club: Q :club: J :club: 9 :club: 6 :diamond: (high card Ace)
      Hero wins 2.15 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)