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[NL2-NL10] nl 6 max dry TT set

    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $3,96
      BB:
      $4,12
      MP2:
      $4,16
      MP3:
      $4,09
      Hero:
      $4,93
      BU:
      $7,87

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.105 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with T:spade: , T:diamond:
      MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0,04, Hero raises to $0,16, BU calls $0,16, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($0,42) T:club: , 9:spade: , 5:heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0,42) 2:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $0,28, Hero calls $0,28.

      River: ($0,98) 2:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $0,72, Hero raises to $2,06, BU folds.

      Final Pot: $3,76
  • 10 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello sausage646,

      Preflop: Vs station 5xBB. :D
      Postflop: Bet the flop, Bet the turn, Bet the river. :) And we protect our hand, I don't really see why we should be playing like you did here, pretty horrible play. :f_cry:

      Best Regards.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      1. 3.3 af
      2. dry board
      3. will stab whit his draws almost always
      4. getting value if he hits his Q,K,A hands
      5. a lot of his range consist pp that would try to protect bet on turn
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by sausage646
      1. 3.3 af
      2. dry board
      3. will stab whit his draws almost always
      4. getting value if he hits his Q,K,A hands
      5. a lot of his range consist pp that would try to protect bet on turn
      I really see you really gained maximum value by Checking the flop & turn, while he almost Checked behind there. So I don't really like it. :) If he has a made hand why not just Bet yourself and pick up the bet size? So I am still Bet/Bet/Bet, don't really see why I should be Check/Call & Check/Call & Check/Raise river. Just because his AF is 3.3 and without any reads.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      Originally posted by veriz
      while he almost Checked behind there.
      interesting part is: how you came to the conclusion that he "almost" checked behind ? :f_confused:

      1. I am getting maximum 1 street of value from 66-88 anyway
      2. I have board crushed
      3. even against JJ Tx won't get more than 2 streets of value
      4. keep in his bluffs like over cards, since my range looks like weak pp

      I just see most value in this line considering all his range... and if he is having set we would get it in till river anyway.

      only hands I can get 3 streets maybe ( on the river <1/2p bet ) JJ, AT KT maybe , but there is so many hands that didn't hit this board pp, overcards, draws would bet, so I really don't understand why this line is bad?

      if you can give me his range and calculations that bet/bet/bet have more value against his range ok I will agree.. but so far I see ccl/ccl/cr best line.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      interesting part is: how you came to the conclusion that he "almost" checked behind ?

      He Checked the flop! You Checked the turn, so practically let him Check behind which is really bad. What you imagine getting A LOT value on river with your Check-Check and then when raise you expect him to go all-in if he hits his TP? Are you just joking or you really playing that way?

      1. I am getting maximum 1 street of value from 66-88 anyway

      Why do you think so? Take a look at WTSD/W$SD -> definitely a lot more and especially if he floats and hits a pair which is in his style.

      2. I have board crushed

      So that means you ain't vulnerable at all? There ain't no cards which you don't want to see? What about 7/8/9/J/Q/K -> everything gives a straight.

      3. even against JJ Tx won't get more than 2 streets of value

      ....

      4. keep in his bluffs like over cards, since my range looks like weak pp

      ....

      And here I am going to stop and not continue. You missing a lot value in long run, good luck with beating NL4.
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      Originally posted by veriz
      good luck with beating NL4.
      7.6 bb/ 100 on 77k sample... I guess not so bad =/
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      He Checked the flop! You Checked the turn, so practically let him Check behind which is really bad. What you imagine getting A LOT value on river with your Check-Check and then when raise you expect him to go all-in if he hits his TP? Are you just joking or you really playing that way?


      are you expect him to go All in if he hits his top pair after float ?
      "are you joking or are you thinking that way ?" ( I didn't mention anything about AI you made it up )

      ok I bet the turn he calls whit his over cards i bet the river he folds
      I bet the river (he catches his card) / he calls
      1 street of value / 2 streets of value = 3

      I check turn he can now bluff 2 streets whit his over cards if he hits he will bet anyway and I can check raise ( didn't say anything about cr AI )

      2 streets of value / 2 streets + a possible call = 4+


      2. I have board crushed

      So that means you ain't vulnerable at all? There ain't no cards which you don't want to see? What about 7/8/9/J/Q/K -> everything gives a straight.

      enough aggressive that I can go for check raise and assume he would make stab whit his OESD
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well done then but you could have a lot higher winrate if you wouldn't miss that easy value. ;) And why ain't ya playing NL10 then if you have such a success, ain't your bankroll enough for it from the winnings?

      Also I am curious, in every hand you post you always argue with me. You post a hand and then start to say that my evaluations are bad, why do you post at all then? :)
    • sausage646
      sausage646
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.03.2010 Posts: 567
      Originally posted by veriz
      Well done then but you could have a lot higher winrate if you wouldn't miss that easy value. ;) And why ain't ya playing NL10 then if you have such a success, ain't your bankroll enough for it from the winnings?
      Sadly I have to cover a part of my school expenses so cash out after cash out, if having bad month get's little though.


      in every hand you post you always argue with me
      every ? aren't you exaggerating ?

      why do you post at all then?
      what's the purpose of this pokerstrategy - > hand evaluations ... I guess I misunderstand since I though it was discussion ?

      obviously if I would just take all your answers and say to myself veriz told so, so must be right - that would take you much less work ?

      but you made point :)

      not arguing whit you anymore, it's obviously no place for discussion "post your hand hear veriz opinion - discuss somewhere else "

      that's just a conclusion.

      no need for relplay.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, we ain't discussing the hand but rather you argue always with me. I am happy to discuss the hand and why we should play differently. But you practically forcing always my evaluations down and that they are wrong, that's not discussing. ;) And if you don't want to understand that it's practically pretty simple and easy play to Bet/Bet/Bet here then nothing to do, I am not going to spend time to make you clear for you either till you understand it.

      Good luck. :)