[NL2-NL10] NL25 Two over and Gut shot draw

    • daeh01005
      daeh01005
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      Joined: 17.03.2008 Posts: 416
      #1
      Full Tilt Poker
      No Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
      8 players
      Converter

      Stack sizes:
      UTG: $34.10
      UTG+1: $26.75
      MP1: $24.45
      MP2: $9.40
      Hero: $5.25
      Button: $8.30
      SB: $29.70
      BB: $34.50

      Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with J A
      3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls, 3 folds.

      Flop: T 9 7 ($3.1, 2 players)
      Hero bets $2, Button calls.

      Turn: T ($7.1, 2 players)
      Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero calls all-in $2.

      River: 9 ($11.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.1)

      #2
      Full Tilt Poker
      No Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
      9 players
      Converter


      Stack sizes:
      UTG: $10.75
      UTG+1: $20.95
      MP1: $27.70
      MP2: $25
      MP3: $5.25
      Hero: $5
      Button: $27.55
      SB: $45
      BB: $36.80


      Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A K
      UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.


      Flop: T 2 Q ($3.35, 2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $3.35, Hero raises all-in $3.5, UTG+1 calls.

      Turn: 2 ($10.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $10.35)

      River: 3 ($10.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $10.35)

      I had two over card and gut shot draw.
      I wonder that what is the EV+, push or fold ?

      Could two over card and guy shot be draw as OESD and FD ?
  • 4 replies
    • dallievas
      dallievas
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      Joined: 30.11.2007 Posts: 822
      Hi,
      Hand 1-Ok preflop,then on flop thrash hand-you can do cbet against one opp (bluff) or fold if you not have fold equity(sometimes opp is calling station-should have stats,reads on him).Easy check /fold on turn because gut shot draw have too low odds for you to call(4outs-11:1 and 5:1).SSS likes only OESD,flush draw or combo(OESD+FD).
      Hand 2- Ok preflop.On flop thrash hand and bet from opp,easy fold,gut shot have not enough outs for you and on flop you had no flush draw(4 cards to flush),can only hope for backdoor flush which is good when you have more decent draw.
      All SSS equity charts you can find in xarry2`s tread:
      04/04 SSS Adv. Coaching - preflop equity decisions
      Good luck :)
    • Pride11
      Pride11
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      Joined: 29.03.2008 Posts: 46
      idk if i did my math correctly but i thought about it last night and contrary to what PS says hitting a flush after the flop is the same chances as hitting a OESD ,
      i came to this conclusion because you have 4 of that suit to make it a draw 13-4 = 9 outs
    • dallievas
      dallievas
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      Joined: 30.11.2007 Posts: 822
      you absolutely right,flush draw have even more outs (9) and greater odds(4:1 and 2:1) than OESD-8outs(odds 5:1 and 2:1),but on the flop when you had to make your decision you had only 3 clubs (A,K,T),not 4. :D
    • xylere
      xylere
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      Joined: 27.05.2007 Posts: 2,939
      1) push flop
      as played, push turn. odds are too high to fold.
      2) nh
      2 overs + gutshot + bacdoor flush = strong draw, which we have to play agressively)