# Sidekick & PT3 rake calculations are wrong?

• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2011
Just played 1000 hand session in NL25 MSS @ pokerstars

Sidekick tells me that i raked 5.18\$
PokerTracker tells me that i raked 7.61\$

but pokerstars awared me 31.25 VPP-s ( 31.25 : 5,5 = 5.68\$)

so why they all are different values?
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• Bronze
Joined: 26.12.2009
Originally posted by RobertDaPro
Just played 1000 hand session in NL25 MSS

Sidekick tells me that i raked 5.18\$
PokerTracker tells me that i raked 7.61\$

but pokersrats awared me 31.25 VPP-s ( 31.25 : 5,5 = 5.68\$)

so why they all are different values?
To mess around with your mind

Actually find this an interesting question! Never looked at it, but I'm going to check it at the end of my session tonight!

Regards
RasTweet
• Bronze
Joined: 04.01.2010
Does PT3 has only one rake stat? In PT4 it has 4 I think. I will also test this out later with PT4 maybe also HM2
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2011
Seriously now i am even more confused...

PLayed another 1k hands and results are now again messed up, but in different ways

Sidekick gives me 6.98\$
PT3 gives me 6.47\$
Pokerstars gives me 42.04 FPP-s (42.04 : 5.5) = 7.64

Did anyone else test this problem out?
• Bronze
Joined: 26.12.2009
Hi RobertDaPro

I just finished my session. And the numbers are different here as well.
HEM1: \$5.47
Sidekick: \$6.49

thats \$1 difference!

I don't know how to calculate them like you do. I play on 888 and Don't know how to see how many points I gathered during my session.

Regards
RasTweet
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2011
Originally posted by RasTweet
Hi RobertDaPro

I just finished my session. And the numbers are different here as well.
HEM1: \$5.47
Sidekick: \$6.49

thats \$1 difference!

I don't know how to calculate them like you do. I play on 888 and Don't know how to see how many points I gathered during my session.

Regards
RasTweet

Hello RasTweet,

Pokerstars shows that how many VPP-s you have during current month.. and as it was first day of the month i started from 0.. also you can look before session how many points you have and look again after and calculate difference.

In pokerstars !\$ rake = 5.5 VPP-s (Example if i get 35.55 VPP-s then that would be 6.4\$ in rake) 35.55 : 5.5

i hope that it make some sence
• Bronze
Joined: 06.06.2011
Originally posted by RobertDaPro
Just played 1000 hand session in NL25 MSS @ pokerstars

Sidekick tells me that i raked 5.18\$
PokerTracker tells me that i raked 7.61\$

but pokerstars awared me 31.25 VPP-s ( 31.25 : 5,5 = 5.68\$)

so why they all are different values?
i could be wrong but doesnt stars award 6VPP for \$1 playing full ring cash? not 5.5 like evrything else
• Bronze
Joined: 12.05.2009
Hi guys,

Calculating hero rake on PokerStars is a bit tricky.

First of all, there's no hero rake on PokerStars. Table rake is converted directly into VPP. VPP are assigned in weighted-contributed fashion.

Now the table rake -> VPP conversion factor depends on a number of things like stakes, amount raked or number of players in the hand.

Subsequently there's no constant factor to convert VPP back to hero rake. A player sitting out instead of preflop folding can change the VPP rate even in otherwise identical hands.

What we do:
We've confirmed SideKick's table rake -> VPP -> hero VPP -> SP calculation with real live data.

We're using the same calculation model for table rake -> hero rake (simply omitting VPP conversion).

Our tests also showed, that each application (SK, HEM, PT) comes up with different values. So I'm not really surprised.

I think we're as close as you can get to a correct hero rake calculation.

Here's the reference from PokerStars: http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/earn/#HowdoIearnVPPs

In any case, if you have any hands where SK's calculation is proven to be off, I'd appreciate it if you send them over. We're very happy to have a look.

Cheers,
M.
• Bronze
Joined: 24.06.2011
Thanks Markus,

But why another guy in this thread claims that it is off @ 888 poker also? So all the rooms have that?
• Bronze
Joined: 26.12.2009
Hi PS.Markus

Thanks for you explenation!

I do have one other question. Do you know if the rake on HEM is the correct amount of rake we pay to the room or is this a calculation by HEM as well? Just wondering, not that it makes a difference, it's just an interesting fact.

Regards
RasTweet