[NL2-NL10] NL4 FR AKo TPTK in 3bet pot vs flop shove

    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
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      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 856
      Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

      BB: $4.16 (104 bb)
      Hero (SB): $4 (100 bb)
      MP3: $2.06 (51.5 bb)
      BTN: $4.15 (103.8 bb)
      MP1: $4.04 (101 bb)
      CO: $4 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: $3.51 (87.7 bb)
      MP2: $4 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
      UTG+2 raises to $0.16, 5 folds, Hero raises to $0.56, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $0.40

      Flop: ($1.16) K 9 Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.80, UTG+2 raises to $2.95, Hero calls $2.15

      Turn: ($7.06) 3 (2 players)

      River: ($7.06) 3 (2 players)

      He is 26/16/3,3 after 217 hands if it means something, but I think this is standard against any unknown. Wrong?

      Results: $7.06 pot ($0.35 rake)Final Board: K 9 Q 3 3 Hero showed A K and lost (-$3.51 net)UTG+2 showed J K and won $6.71 ($3.20 net)
  • 8 replies
    • michel2311
      michel2311
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      Joined: 14.11.2011 Posts: 2,121
      His raise on the flop shows strength. I would fold here because I think you're beat. Which hand he would shove here? Monsters or monsterdraws imo.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Oly0909,

      Depends a lot on the opponent here. :) Like what kind of hands do you expect to beat here which is shoving?

      Best Regards.
    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
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      OK, I tryed to play a little with Equilab, and it looks to me that based on different fold to 3bet and 4beting ranges I have from 26% to 51% equity (his open raise from EP is 7%) in this spot and I need 33,33%. So I guess that big spread is what you have in mind when you say it depends a lot on the opp :f_p:
      BUT!
      Do you really fold TPTK in 3bet pot with initiative on NL4?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Oly0909
      OK, I tryed to play a little with Equilab, and it looks to me that based on different fold to 3bet and 4beting ranges I have from 26% to 51% equity (his open raise from EP is 7%) in this spot and I need 33,33%. So I guess that big spread is what you have in mind when you say it depends a lot on the opp :f_p:
      BUT!
      Do you really fold TPTK in 3bet pot with initiative on NL4?
      It's a 3bet pot. What kind of worse hands do you see him shipping?
    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
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      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 856
      I don't quite understand your point. Can you tell me what's wrong with this calc.

      Board: KsQc9c
      Equity Win Tie
      UTG+2 62.29% 38.19% 24.10% { QQ, AKs, KQs, KcJc, KcTc, AKo }
      SB 37.71% 13.61% 24.10% { AcKd }

      I believe you're right, I just don't understand what exactly I don't understand :s_confused:

      Truth is on this board it's hard for him to have worse hand that he ships with, but on the other hand that range looks to me so possible, and with that range I have more than enough equity to call. And if you deduct QQ because maybe he would 4bet with them also, then my equity goes up to 48%.

      So, as I said, I can accept that I'm wrong here, I just want to understand it, and not just to accept it without understanding, so I'm sorry for returning to this hand.
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Vs his 3bet calling range preflop you have enough equity. But not against his flop shipping range after his call vs 3bet. What does he ship with on a flop that hits so much of your range? Does he ship with JJ or TT? Nope. QQ and QK however...
    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
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      Originally posted by Wriggers
      Does he ship with JJ or TT? Nope. QQ and QK however...
      Yes, and that is part of range I gave him, another part is AK as I think he could ship it, and hand he actually had. And still I have enough equity. Thats why I still don't get it :f_cry:
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, you wont even know if he is calling you that loose here. Of course if you expect him to have such a loose range then you should be able to play it profitable.