[NL20-NL50] Was the call on the river bad?

    • Rastlin1
      Rastlin1
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.08.2008 Posts: 189
      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $20.10 (100.5 bb)
      UTG: $38.24 (191.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $21.32 (106.6 bb)
      CO: $21.18 (105.9 bb)
      BTN: $21 (105 bb)
      SB: $70.12 (350.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, BB calls $0.60

      Flop: ($1.70) 6 Q Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.27, BB calls $1.27

      Turn: ($4.24) 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($4.24) 8 (2 players)
      BB bets $3.18, Hero calls $3.18

      Results: $10.60 pot ($0.53 rake)
      Final Board: 6 Q Q 2 8
      BB showed J Q and won $10.07 ($4.82 net)
      Hero mucked K K and lost (-$5.25 net)

      I think that I did well to control the pot here but I am questioning if I should have called the river - or did I just lose the least possible?
  • 5 replies
    • jachis
      jachis
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.04.2008 Posts: 745
      You dont say anyting about the villain so its a big guessing game. Because of his fullstack I'd assume his not a big fish.

      On the flop when he calls, I think you get to scared and assume he has a Q, but in fact he hec peel 66-JJ, and random FD's and you actually block some Qx and broadway fds with your KKc.
      On the turn Fd's get there and some pairs turn 1card FD. I would bet bit more than 1/2 on turn , but IP checking behind should be ok.
      If check behind im never folding this river, cause he could easily assume your giving up on this turn when cheking behind.
    • Rastlin1
      Rastlin1
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.08.2008 Posts: 189
      villain is 33/23 but only 79 hands on him
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Rastlin1,

      I would rather Bet/Fold the turn and maybe even gain value from a worse hands. :) But as you played this way you practically induced him to bluff and which he might even do and it's really up to you and your table dynamics with the guy.

      Best Regards.
    • Rastlin1
      Rastlin1
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.08.2008 Posts: 189
      I see that now, I think that I have not been aggressive enough in these situations and tend rather to check than bet fold; I have started to change that way of thinking today
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      bet/fold turn is an option but the flush gets there and you are putting a lot of pressure on 2nd-pair type of hands. I think the way you played is fine, some villains may have random Ace highs turned into bluffs or other mid pairs